Ginx snewx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I completely agree with your line of thinking. I believe we have reached a crtical point(next 11-15 days) in how this winter will play out. I'm concerned that the core of the arctic air is going to remain in Canada. Another concern is the ongoing drought situation across a large portion of the country.......lack of storminess. I think our best bets for a cold and snowy winter revolves around 2 things occuring. First we need the cold dropping out of Eastern Canada rather than Western Canada. Secondly the Gulf of Mexico has to become open for business. My fear is if the Gulf of Mexico doesn't become open for business then we are going to have a winter featuring cutters. lol where does this come from, we have a relaxation that is not set in stone and already get panic setting in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Nice week of winter to follow up a fantastic week. Squalls and cold with a possible clipper. Can not wait until someone punts Jan. we kinda got lucky from a decent few days. The month as a whole didn't feel like winter. I can only hope this changes for January...but signs aren't great at least for mid-month, maybe things get better after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Isn't a PV over northern Hudson Bay like the EC ensemble is showing bad for the east? Yeah it can be if it;s well north and just helping to furnace the CONUS with westerly flow. If it sinks or wobbles south from time to time, then it introduces cold and storm chances. I hope nobody is reading into this more than they should. Nobody is punting, just saying the next two weeks may be rather quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Strange times, absolute torch this month yet I have half of normal winter snowfall.......relaxation periods are perfectly normal and happen every winter after all this is not the arctic circle. Some flurries and snowshowers around as the ball drops perhaps. Something will pop up later this week, certainly would be foolish to ignore seasonal trend of north and west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Enjoy the moment, feels and looks like mid winter, careless what Dec was like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 we kinda got lucky from a decent few days. The month as a whole didn't feel like winter. I can only hope this changes for January...but signs aren't great at least for mid-month, maybe things get better after? What do you think the key mechanism is for the core of the Arctic air dropping into the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Yeah it can be if it;s well north and just helping to furnace the CONUS with westerly flow. If it sinks or wobbles south from time to time, then it introduces cold and storm chances. I hope nobody is reading into this more than they should. Nobody is punting, just saying the next two weeks may be rather quiet. yeah verbatim it isn't good. We haven't been a good pattern in the northeast and eastern midwest the entire late fall or winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 What do you think the key mechanism is for the core of the Arctic air dropping into the US? you mean being progged or what needs to happen? -EPO/+PNA is a good combo to have it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Enjoy the moment, feels and looks like mid winter, careless what Dec was like enlol whatever. i guess you aren't interested in having a discussion, then? Who is punting January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Isn't a PV over northern Hudson Bay like the EC ensemble is showing bad for the east? It is bad the further south you go. It was exactly what existed in in if the coldest and snowiest winter in Boston's history, 1993-94 had a positive NAO to boot. But the EPO delivered. That's what we need über alles IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 you mean being progged or what needs to happen? -EPO/+PNA is a good combo to have it happen. Yes what needs to happen. I agree a -EPO/+PNA would be great BUT I'm not sure that is in the cards. What if a powerful storm cut thru the plains and into canada......say on a path into the Dakota's and/or Western MN.....do you think such a storm could start the process for delivering true arctic air to the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 en lol whatever. i guess you aren't interested in having a discussion, then? Who is punting January? most of NE had between 12-36 inches of snow this week. We are having an Arctic outbreak . The next 7 days are winter with a chance something breaks. Yeah I am all set for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 And d10 op euro shows the worst case...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 most of NE had between 12-36 inches of snow this week. We are having an Arctic outbreak . The next 7 days are winter with a chance something breaks. Yeah I am all set for now. The arctic outbreak must deliver. The bootleg cold we have now cost me several inches yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It is bad the further south you go. It was exactly what existed in in if the coldest and snowiest winter in Boston's history, 1993-94 had a positive NAO to boot. But the EPO delivered. That's what we need über alles IMHO. that winter had a favorable pacific and the PV on average was located over southern Hudson Bay...not northern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 The arctic outbreak must deliver. The bootleg cold we have now cost me several inches yesterday. it's been waffling a bit and becoming more muted imo. I mean -16c air into SNE in early January is kinda meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 I really like where we are headed. Very wintry JAn start to finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 SSTs of 47F aren't helping either. The next week should cool them to the low 40s I think. If we had a high yesterday, I could have cracked double digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 And d10 op euro shows the worst case...lol. Yeah pretty much. Severe outbreak in TX and OK?? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 it's been waffling a bit and becoming more muted imo. I mean -16c air into SNE in early January is kinda meh. The cold air quickly retreats on the 12z ECM, and above average air from the southwest comes in. Not to mention, the cold is not nearly as impressive as earlier model runs which had -20C 850s down to NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Another low chance threat is something in the day 6-7 range..near 1/6 or 1/7 perhaps as the vortex lifts out and a couple of disturbances move across the nation's mid section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 Today IMO really took a step in the direction of a snow event mid week. Still a ways to go, but you can see how it could happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Amazing how cold today feels, just walked out to grab some wood and it feels bitter. Everything is relative of course, by the end of this week 33 will feel downright balmy amazing how we acclimate to temperatures so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Today IMO really took a step in the direction of a snow event mid week. Still a ways to go, but you can see how it could happen This week? Or next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Hi was only 29 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I love Debbie's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I agree with Kevin, I could see a light mid week event ala clipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 EC ensembles have ridging into AK and the ridging into Greenland. This helps force the PV SW, but also a -PNA so we have to fight that. However, that is a pretty good thermal gradient there...right over our fannies practically. That doesn't mean snow, but it could be interesting at times. I still don't like the look of it quite yet because it is too close for comfort. We really could use more Greenland ridging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 EC ensembles have ridging into AK and the ridging into Greenland. This helps force the PV SW, but also a -PNA so we have to fight that. However, that is a pretty good thermal gradient there...right over our fannies practically. That doesn't mean snow, but it could be interesting at times. I still don't like the look of it quite yet because it is too close for comfort. We really could use more Greenland ridging. It's sort of wheat NNE had the first few weeks of Dec..pressed south over us..Should be cold enough for snow/mixed precip chances..Now that we have deep pack..and gradient/fronts are going to be forced south....I could see waves riding over Philly out thru Central Jersey or something like that. We're in a good spot..The plains will torch..esp southern Plains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Yeah pretty much. Severe outbreak in TX and OK?? :) Dryline event in January? I'm sure the chasers would take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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