cyclone77 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Regarding the 99 storm, it's amazing how widespread the heavy accumulations were. It's very unusual to have such a widespread decent snow system in general, but this one put down heavy snow accumulations over an enormous area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vespasian70 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I wonder how CLE did? Or CMH? If there was a blind spot with Jan 99 Ohio is your likely location. To be honest, I don't even recall it. Probably a snow to slop to rain back to snow event here, which would explain why I'm not remembering it very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Lake enhanced snow has started here. Nice flake size...hoping to wake up to a nice amount in the morning. Good night, all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 SSC: Snow is got to be picking up now??? It's snowing at a moderate rate in downtown Toronto. I'd say almost an inch has fallen in the last half hour or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Well these flakes actually made it to the ground tonight! Nice little heavier pocket moving across far northern Cook County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 It's snowing at a moderate rate in downtown Toronto. I'd say almost an inch has fallen in the last half hour or so. Wow, 2"/hr rates? The mesolow obviously came as far west as you. I'd say I have maybe 1/2 and inch here in Etobicoke. Maybe a smidgen more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 East end getting it pretty good. When you can see the flakes that distinctly when it's dark, you know it's not just flurries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I wonder how CLE did? Or CMH? If there was a blind spot with Jan 99 Ohio is your likely location. CMH had snow until noon-ish on the 2nd, then went over to rain in the evening. 6.6" storm total snow. http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCMH/1999/1/2/DailyHistory.html'>http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCMH/1999/1/2/DailyHistory.html CLE had the kitchen sink, before turning to rain late on the 2nd. 4.6" storm total snow. http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCLE/1999/1/2/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA'>http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCLE/1999/1/2/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 CMH had snow until noon-ish on the 2nd, then went over to rain in the evening. 6.6" storm total snow. http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCMH/1999/1/2/DailyHistory.html CLE had the kitchen sink, before turning to rain late on the 2nd. 4.6" storm total snow. http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCLE/1999/1/2/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA I remember that one very well. With such deep expansive arctic air in place, the storm was able to give us virtually all snow even though it cut well to our west. By the time upper levels warmed the precipitation had basically ended. Right around nightfall we went to drizzle, but it really wasn't even enough to hurt snow depth. Had it remained all snow, we might have had an inch more, but that would be about it. I live north of cmh airport where measurements are recorded...here in westerville it was much closer to about 9" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I remember that one very well. With such deep expansive arctic air in place, the storm was able to give us virtually all snow even though it cut well to our west. By the time upper levels warmed the precipitation had basically ended. Right around nightfall we went to drizzle, but it really wasn't even enough to hurt snow depth. Had it remained all snow, we might have had an inch more, but that would be about it. I live north of cmh airport where measurements are recorded...here in westerville it was much closer to about 9" Pretty remarkable storm really. 14" in LAF despite the low going overhead...and never came close to freezing. Probably won't see an exact duplicate of that storm for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbcmh81 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 To be honest, I don't even recall it. Probably a snow to slop to rain back to snow event here, which would explain why I'm not remembering it very well. 6.6" in Columbus, which is far more than we would've normally got with a track that far west of us, but there was a lot of cold air ahead of it that kept it snow for awhile. Ultimately, though, it turned to ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Lol....ANOTHER epic fail here in West Michigan. 1/2 inch of "lake enhanced" snow overnight. The pattern and atmospheric conditions have just sucked for us to get snow here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 izzi is just trolling snow lovers now...pulling hard for 60 BRIEF SHOT OF ALMOST LAUGHABLE COLD AIR ADVECTION SUNDAY BEFORE WETRANSITION TO WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF MUCH ABOVEAVERAGE TEMPERATURES. SPLIT FLOW REGIME IS LIKELY TO PERSIST WITHALL MEDIUM RANGE MODELS IN GREAT AGREEMENT WITH RISING LOW/MID LEVELHEIGHTS AND SIGNIFICANT WARM AIR ADVECTION AS MILD PACIFIC AIR COMESSTREAMING EAST INTO THE AREA. A SYNOPTIC COMPOSITE OF THE 15 TIMESWE`VE CLIMBED INTO THE 50S BETWEEN JAN 5-15 SINCE 1979 SHOWS THAT850MB TEMPS HAVE AVERAGED AROUND 5-6C...WITH 925MB TEMPS AVERAGINGAROUND 7C WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE VALUES THE MEDIUM RANGEMODELS HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING VERY CONSISTENTLY FOR DAYS ON END NOWFOR NEXT WEEK. IN FACT...BY WEDNESDAY NEXT WEEK BOTH THE GFS ANDECMWF ARE FORECAST 925MB/850MB TEMPERATURES CLOSE TO LEVELS THATARE TYPICAL WITH THE 8 TIMES CHICAGO HAS REACH 60F IN JANUARY SINCE1979. GIVEN THE STRONG AND CONSISTENT SIGNAL FOR WARMTH IN THEMODELS AND THEIR PROPENSITY TO HAVE A STRONG COLD BIAS WITH SFCTEMPS DURING WARM SPELLS IN THE EXTENDED...PARTICULARLY IN THEWINTER...HAVE GONE WELL ABOVE ALL NUMERICAL GUIDANCE GOING WITHHIGHS WELL INTO THE 40S MON AND TUES THEN INTO THE LOWER 50S MOSTAREAS BY WEDNESDAY. WORTH NOTING THAT WHILE THESE VALUES ARE 10F+ABOVE MOS AND 20F+ ABOVE CLIMO THEY ARE STILL CONSERVATIVE AND IFCURRENT MODEL GUIDANCE IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BEING IN THE BALLPARK OFWHAT VERIFIES THEN NEAR RECORD HIGHS (MID 50S FOR RFD AND NEAR 60FFOR CHI) WOULD BE POSSIBLE. TIME PERMITTING WILL TRY AND POST SOMEIMAGES OF THE SYNOPTIC COMPOSITES I REFERRED TO ABOVE ON OUR OFFICEFACEBOOK PAGE THIS MORNING(HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/US.NATIONALWEATHERSERVICE.CHICAGO.GOV). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Pretty remarkable storm really. 14" in LAF despite the low going overhead...and never came close to freezing. Probably won't see an exact duplicate of that storm for a very long time. yep, definitely a share the wealth storm. That's pretty much the set up you need to have in place. Very deep expansive arctic air out ahead of it so places left of the low can cash in on front end thumping. I believe PDII was a share the wealth storm as well. At least the first part where snow streaked out across IA, IL, IN and OH. We picked up about 6 inches from the first bout with that one, and then got the second dose when the southern low formed and moved northeast off the MA coast about 48 hrs later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 is just trolling snow lovers now...pulling hard for 60 BRIEF SHOT OF ALMOST LAUGHABLE COLD AIR ADVECTION SUNDAY BEFORE WE TRANSITION TO WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF MUCH ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES. SPLIT FLOW REGIME IS LIKELY TO PERSIST WITH ALL MEDIUM RANGE MODELS IN GREAT AGREEMENT WITH RISING LOW/MID LEVEL HEIGHTS AND SIGNIFICANT WARM AIR ADVECTION AS MILD PACIFIC AIR COMES STREAMING EAST INTO THE AREA. A SYNOPTIC COMPOSITE OF THE 15 TIMES WE`VE CLIMBED INTO THE 50S BETWEEN JAN 5-15 SINCE 1979 SHOWS THAT 850MB TEMPS HAVE AVERAGED AROUND 5-6C...WITH 925MB TEMPS AVERAGING AROUND 7C WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE VALUES THE MEDIUM RANGE MODELS HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING VERY CONSISTENTLY FOR DAYS ON END NOW FOR NEXT WEEK. IN FACT...BY WEDNESDAY NEXT WEEK BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF ARE FORECAST 925MB/850MB TEMPERATURES CLOSE TO LEVELS THAT ARE TYPICAL WITH THE 8 TIMES CHICAGO HAS REACH 60F IN JANUARY SINCE 1979. GIVEN THE STRONG AND CONSISTENT SIGNAL FOR WARMTH IN THE MODELS AND THEIR PROPENSITY TO HAVE A STRONG COLD BIAS WITH SFC TEMPS DURING WARM SPELLS IN THE EXTENDED...PARTICULARLY IN THE WINTER...HAVE GONE WELL ABOVE ALL NUMERICAL GUIDANCE GOING WITH HIGHS WELL INTO THE 40S MON AND TUES THEN INTO THE LOWER 50S MOST AREAS BY WEDNESDAY. WORTH NOTING THAT WHILE THESE VALUES ARE 10F+ ABOVE MOS AND 20F+ ABOVE CLIMO THEY ARE STILL CONSERVATIVE AND IF CURRENT MODEL GUIDANCE IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BEING IN THE BALLPARK OF WHAT VERIFIES THEN NEAR RECORD HIGHS (MID 50S FOR RFD AND NEAR 60F FOR CHI) WOULD BE POSSIBLE. TIME PERMITTING WILL TRY AND POST SOME IMAGES OF THE SYNOPTIC COMPOSITES I REFERRED TO ABOVE ON OUR OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE THIS MORNING (HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/US.NATIONALWEATHERSERVICE.CHICAGO.GOV). Classic. Not much will save this snowpack. Best to just start fresh and get rid of all the dirt piles of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 is just trolling snow lovers now...pulling hard for 60 Might as well, there sure is not much else to pull for in the foreseeable future. And although I am a huge snow weenie, upper 50s would give me a great opportunity to avoid frostbite while taking down my christmas lights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Wow, 2"/hr rates? The mesolow obviously came as far west as you. I'd say I have maybe 1/2 and inch here in Etobicoke. Maybe a smidgen more. Yeah, I was surprised when the snow band over Lake Ontario decided to move in Toronto around midnight. A few hours ago, it looked like the band would move into the Niagara region, but I guess the flow turned easterly at the last second to allow the band to reverse gears and move north. All in all, I'd say a couple of inches fell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Mid week system on the 12Z GFS doesn't have nearly the torch as previous runs. A cold rain here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlord81 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 12z GFS is much more tame with the torch next week it seems. And it still shows the artic opening up for business. I know the long reange resoloution sucks but after the artic front passes through the subforum it looks like many chances for quick hitting clippers all the way to the end of the run. Clippers can be pretty good at spreading the wealth and kicking off LES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Torch really beat back.... Probably most snow south of 44 degrees north is toast, but good news for the Northwoods! Cold looks somewhat better that last nights runs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 izzi is just trolling snow lovers now...pulling hard for 60 BRIEF SHOT OF ALMOST LAUGHABLE COLD AIR ADVECTION SUNDAY BEFORE WE TRANSITION TO WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF MUCH ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES. SPLIT FLOW REGIME IS LIKELY TO PERSIST WITH ALL MEDIUM RANGE MODELS IN GREAT AGREEMENT WITH RISING LOW/MID LEVEL HEIGHTS AND SIGNIFICANT WARM AIR ADVECTION AS MILD PACIFIC AIR COMES STREAMING EAST INTO THE AREA. A SYNOPTIC COMPOSITE OF THE 15 TIMES WE`VE CLIMBED INTO THE 50S BETWEEN JAN 5-15 SINCE 1979 SHOWS THAT 850MB TEMPS HAVE AVERAGED AROUND 5-6C...WITH 925MB TEMPS AVERAGING AROUND 7C WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE VALUES THE MEDIUM RANGE MODELS HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING VERY CONSISTENTLY FOR DAYS ON END NOW FOR NEXT WEEK. IN FACT...BY WEDNESDAY NEXT WEEK BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF ARE FORECAST 925MB/850MB TEMPERATURES CLOSE TO LEVELS THAT ARE TYPICAL WITH THE 8 TIMES CHICAGO HAS REACH 60F IN JANUARY SINCE 1979. GIVEN THE STRONG AND CONSISTENT SIGNAL FOR WARMTH IN THE MODELS AND THEIR PROPENSITY TO HAVE A STRONG COLD BIAS WITH SFC TEMPS DURING WARM SPELLS IN THE EXTENDED...PARTICULARLY IN THE WINTER...HAVE GONE WELL ABOVE ALL NUMERICAL GUIDANCE GOING WITH HIGHS WELL INTO THE 40S MON AND TUES THEN INTO THE LOWER 50S MOST AREAS BY WEDNESDAY. WORTH NOTING THAT WHILE THESE VALUES ARE 10F+ ABOVE MOS AND 20F+ ABOVE CLIMO THEY ARE STILL CONSERVATIVE AND IF CURRENT MODEL GUIDANCE IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BEING IN THE BALLPARK OF WHAT VERIFIES THEN NEAR RECORD HIGHS (MID 50S FOR RFD AND NEAR 60F FOR CHI) WOULD BE POSSIBLE. TIME PERMITTING WILL TRY AND POST SOME IMAGES OF THE SYNOPTIC COMPOSITES I REFERRED TO ABOVE ON OUR OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE THIS MORNING (HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/US.NATIONALWEATHERSERVICE.CHICAGO.GOV). Given the GFS, you might struggle to hit 50. Next week friday looks the warmest, being in the warm sector of a storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Had to do a double take looking at both the 6z and 12z GFS....what happened to the big southwest cut off low? Now crosses the rockies no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Might as well, there sure is not much else to pull for in the foreseeable future. And although I am a huge snow weenie, upper 50s would give me a great opportunity to avoid frostbite while taking down my christmas lights... Same here! Otherwise I'd leave the hard to reach ones until March sometime! 27° and cloudy right now. 12z GFS shows a cold day for Friday now! lol Thursday not even torchy this run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Lol....ANOTHER epic fail here in West Michigan. 1/2 inch of "lake enhanced" snow overnight. The pattern and atmospheric conditions have just sucked for us to get snow here. Same here, except maybe only 1/4" of snow. This season is going to be setting some futility records on this side of the state soon if something doesn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 nice to have western michigan in the futility club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Huge differences between the GFS and Euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Huge differences between the GFS and Euro That cut off low has huge implications on our weather next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Huge differences between the GFS and Euro FWIW, the GFS Ensembles (I wish I could trust them more, but they are a part of guidance) generally back up the GFS with a trough digging into the center part of the country (as the UKMET and GEM support as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Sounds like another model show down about to take place! The cut off is the deciding factor in next weeks forecast no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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