The_Global_Warmer Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Looks like STL will be -30 or so on the month by the 6th or 7th Before we get 3 or 4 days of +10, 19, 26, 39, 18, then back down to 3-5 departures. And After a seemingly even warm/cold snap with snow cover things will end up warm because orca few days. It's the opposite of back in the old days of three days in a row like: 12/-8 9/-16 14/-12 So those days would be -30below normal up to -35f in rare events. Now it might go 12/0, 18/3, 22/6 and its -15 to -20f at the max. But that is increasingly rare. More importantly the Snow Cover is gonna go. Big changes to the regional ability to radiative force when millions of square kilometers of area is brown or green vs white . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Looks like STL will be -30 or so on the month by the 6th or 7th Before we get 3 or 4 days of +10, 19, 26, 39, 18, then back down to 3-5 departures. And After a seemingly even warm/cold snap with snow cover things will end up warm because orca few days. It's the opposite of back in the old days of three days in a row like: 12/-8 9/-16 14/-12 So those days would be -30below normal up to -35f in rare events. Now it might go 12/0, 18/3, 22/6 and its -15 to -20f at the max. But that is increasingly rare. More importantly the Snow Cover is gonna go. Big changes to the regional ability to radiative force when millions of square kilometers of area is brown or green vs white . The old days were before you were born and they varied by less than 1-2 degrees max. Jon Friv, I'm going to start a banter thread in CC.... http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/38652-climate-change-banter/?p=1978116 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Blackrock and WestMichigan should like the looks of this map for tonight! I sure do! I hope it happens. The biggest surprises around here seem to come from SW flow lake enhanced events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Probably had 6 or 7 inches down by this time 14 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I sure do! I hope it happens. The biggest surprises around here seem to come from SW flow lake enhanced events. That is why It is very hard to feel sorry for your area not getting snow. Before you know it you will be over 40-50" on the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Probably had 6 or 7 inches down by this time 14 years ago. Ahhh yea. At 7pm I had 9" but I remember it Abruptly stopped by Midnight. 13.1" final total here. I used to write snow totals down on a calender. How times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Ahhh yea. At 7pm I had 9" but I remember it Abruptly stopped by Midnight. 13.1" final total here. I used to write snow totals down on a calender. How times have changed. Indeed. I actually went to bed around 9-10pm and slept all through the night. Now, I was only 13 at the time, but still...+SN/+PL/TSSN and sleep? Doesn't seem like the normal course of action for wx weenie. But I always point to Jan 1999 as where my like for snow turned into a lust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 In an unusual turn of events (caused mostly the variable intervals of overcast and clear last night), DTW was one of the colder spots in SE MI last night, bottoming out at 7F. THE cold spot, of course, was ARB at -4F lol. Has anyone else in SE MI noticed the snowcover, which is settled powder, has that bumpy look that you get from wet snow usually? The snowbanks on the side of the road are frozen, but yet that bumpy look exists in some spots where grass/dirt lies beneath the snow. Wonder if the warm ground temps had anything to do with things? Its the only thing I can think of. There has been some snow on the ground since Dec 21st (the good "insulating" kind since Dec 26th), and before that it was all-out torch, so the ground never had time to get too cold. Cannot believe the blizzard of '99 was already 14 years ago!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Probably had 6 or 7 inches down by this time 14 years ago. Storm wrapped up here at about 7am the 3rd. Probably had about 16-18" or so by now! Drifts to 5'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Indeed. I actually went to bed around 9-10pm and slept all through the night. Now, I was only 13 at the time, but still...+SN/+PL/TSSN and sleep? Doesn't seem like the normal course of action for wx weenie. But I always point to Jan 1999 as where my like for snow turned into a lust. I was 18 at the time. I remember it well. Very heavy snow through the evening and overnight. It's the only time I can recall The Weather Network forecasting a blizzard for Toronto. The snow was just pouring out of the sky. I've only seen snow like that on three other occasions: December 10,1992, December 16,2007 and March 8,2008 (the latter two in Ottawa). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 That is why It is very hard to feel sorry for your area not getting snow. Before you know it you will be over 40-50" on the year. I sure hope so. We are at about 20% of our normal snowfall for the year, which explains my frustration. Although we have a snowpack, it is only about an inch or two...and the grass is showing quite well in areas exposed to sun and wind. We have yet to see EVERYTHING covered in a snowpack. So, I am hoping that this is our shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Looks like STL will be -30 or so on the month by the 6th or 7th Before we get 3 or 4 days of +10, 19, 26, 39, 18, then back down to 3-5 departures. And After a seemingly even warm/cold snap with snow cover things will end up warm because orca few days. It's the opposite of back in the old days of three days in a row like: 12/-8 9/-16 14/-12 So those days would be -30below normal up to -35f in rare events. Now it might go 12/0, 18/3, 22/6 and its -15 to -20f at the max. But that is increasingly rare. More importantly the Snow Cover is gonna go. Big changes to the regional ability to radiative force when millions of square kilometers of area is brown or green vs white . Can you show me a few charts to back this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I sure hope so. We are at about 20% of our normal snowfall for the year, which explains my frustration. Although we have a snowpack, it is only about an inch or two...and the grass is showing quite well in areas exposed to sun and wind. We have yet to see EVERYTHING covered in a snowpack. So, I am hoping that this is our shot. You should do well from this event. Basically everyplace from about Holland to as far in as say Grand Rapids on up the lake should do well. Per radar it is just starting to fire. Good luck! Probably a inch or two at most down this way. With LES you never know though so it could be more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I sure do! I hope it happens. The biggest surprises around here seem to come from SW flow lake enhanced events. SW flow tends to be better for Muskegon than here. I miss out on the NW and SW fairly easily since I am at the widest part of the lake and everything goes around me. Good luck Blackrock. Hopefully I can get a couple of inches out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 You should do well from this event. Basically everyplace from about Holland to as far in as say Grand Rapids on up the lake should do well. Per radar it is just starting to fire. Good luck! Probably a inch or two at most down this way. With LES you never know though so it could be more or less. SW flow tends to be better for Muskegon than here. I miss out on the NW and SW fairly easily since I am at the widest part of the lake and everything goes around me. Good luck Blackrock. Hopefully I can get a couple of inches out of it. Thanks, guys. I see on the radar that it is just getting started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Interesting mesolow over Lk Ontario. Getting brushed with a faint dusting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Interesting mesolow over Lk Ontario. Getting brushed with a faint dusting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 WUNIDS_map.gif Too bad that clipper couldn't dig a bit further south. Winds turn east in that case and that vortex eventually crashes into me. As it is, S/SSW winds are going to drift it towards the north shore. Pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I was 18 at the time. I remember it well. Very heavy snow through the evening and overnight. It's the only time I can recall The Weather Network forecasting a blizzard for Toronto. The snow was just pouring out of the sky. I've only seen snow like that on three other occasions: December 10,1992, December 16,2007 and March 8,2008 (the latter two in Ottawa). Really sucks that no matter how much I've tried I haven't been able to find any Toronto related footage of that storm floating around the internet. I know cell cams weren't very common (did they exist at all?) back then, but still you'd think someone would have taken out one of those 15 lbs retro camcorders for such a historic event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 In an unusual turn of events (caused mostly the variable intervals of overcast and clear last night), DTW was one of the colder spots in SE MI last night, bottoming out at 7F. THE cold spot, of course, was ARB at -4F lol. Has anyone else in SE MI noticed the snowcover, which is settled powder, has that bumpy look that you get from wet snow usually? The snowbanks on the side of the road are frozen, but yet that bumpy look exists in some spots where grass/dirt lies beneath the snow. Wonder if the warm ground temps had anything to do with things? Its the only thing I can think of. There has been some snow on the ground since Dec 21st (the good "insulating" kind since Dec 26th), and before that it was all-out torch, so the ground never had time to get too cold. Cannot believe the blizzard of '99 was already 14 years ago!!! I can remember that storm like it was yesterday. The lightning was sick and the rates were flat out insane. Nothing to date even comes close!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I can remember that storm like it was yesterday. The lightning was sick and the rates were flat out insane. Nothing to date even comes close!!! Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I can remember that storm like it was yesterday. The lightning was sick and the rates were flat out insane. Nothing to date even comes close!!! Before GHD it was the region wide consensus for best storm in a generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 A true share the wealth type storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 A true share the wealth type storm. IIRC, even MSP had half a foot. Freakin' incredible coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 99 is definitely a special one. Still can't believe there was over a foot in LAF with practically the entire event being snow. A track like that is mostly rain probably 99 times out of a 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I wonder how CLE did? Or CMH? If there was a blind spot with Jan 99 Ohio is your likely location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Going back to this January, it unfortunately looks like the 0z GFS may be bowing to the euro weeklies, at least out to hour 192. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I would gladdy have no snow cover and a torch to have just 2 weeks of that Jan 99 again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I stand corrected. Model run is coming in slower on Huffman's site. Looks like front still comes through on the 11th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 SSC: Snow is got to be picking up now??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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