WestMichigan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Welp, we couldn't even manage a dusting today. We were supposed to get an inch, and it flurried off and on for a couple hours. LOL. I don't get it. It's like the atmosphere over us has one big dry pocket. Same here, except I don't think I would call it a dusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I just looked at Traverse City's point forecast, and needless to say, it confirms my thought that I need to move there. Snow is likely or imminent during every period in the next five to seven days. Meanwhile, slight to small chances at best here, and colder temps next week to boot even with no or little snow cover. For the snow freaks who don't need brutally cold temps, what area of the country could be better? Maybe Buffalo or Marquette, MI, but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chances14 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I just looked at Traverse City's point forecast, and needless to say, it confirms my thought that I need to move there. Snow is likely or imminent during every period in the next five to seven days. Meanwhile, slight to small chances at best here, and colder temps next week to boot even with no or little snow cover. For the snow freaks who don't need brutally cold temps, what area of the country could be better? Maybe Buffalo or Marquette, MI, but that's it. It really is a nice area around there. My grandparents have a house near torch lake, which is just northeast of traverse city. They get the best of both worlds. In the winter they get tons of snow and then in the summer when it gets hot and humid, they can cruise around on the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I just looked at Traverse City's point forecast, and needless to say, it confirms my thought that I need to move there. Snow is likely or imminent during every period in the next five to seven days. Meanwhile, slight to small chances at best here, and colder temps next week to boot even with no or little snow cover. For the snow freaks who don't need brutally cold temps, what area of the country could be better? Maybe Buffalo or Marquette, MI, but that's it. I have always joked about Wisconsin being on the wrong side of the lake. Typical winter days have Madison with blue sky and cold while Muskegon or Traverse City will have snow in the air non stop..... You don't need "storms" to come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I think he was referring to illnesses. Viruses have a more difficult time surviving in bitter cold. Really? Malaria or other tropical diseases I agree but the virus that causes the common cold? Never heard of that but I promise to do some research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Really? Malaria or other tropical diseases I agree but the virus that causes the common cold? Never heard of that but I promise to do some research. I read a research paper in college focusing on how cold affects the replication of viruses in various host cells. If I recall correctly, under some circumstances it actually increases the proliferation of the virus. But of course, it is hard to say what individual viruses would be affected in what way, as the debate is still out if if they are actually a living organism. personally, I do not consider a clump of self replicating genetic material to be alive anyway, so I would not figure that cold would be overly affective in stopping them. What the cold may stop would be an intermediate host (such as the mosquito in the case of malaria). With the intermediate host population diminished, we may perceived an lower than normal occurrence of the illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I was thinking grubs from beetles...Like Japanese beetles and Rose Chafers. The grubs can burrow deep, but without snowcover, that frost can get deep. I know i read research in Illinois that suggested very cold winters (lack of snowcover) caused populations the next summer to drop... This year was by far the worst year for Japanese Beetles in my yard... Have no idea if last winter played any role, but it may have. I'll take a nice -10F or colder with no snowcover to zap a few of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Too early to post a Chicago Wx's "epic storm pattern" bus on fire or going over a cliff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I read a research paper in college focusing on how cold affects the replication of viruses in various host cells. If I recall correctly, under some circumstances it actually increases the proliferation of the virus. But of course, it is hard to say what individual viruses would be affected in what way, as the debate is still out if if they are actually a living organism. personally, I do not consider a clump of self replicating genetic material to be alive anyway, so I would not figure that cold would be overly affective in stopping them. What the cold may stop would be an intermediate host (such as the mosquito in the case of malaria). With the intermediate host population diminished, we may perceived an lower than normal occurrence of the illness. I completely agree. Viruses are not considered to be living because they don't have the 8 characteristics of life. One of them being they can't reproduce on their own. It is probably moreso of how the cold affects the operations of a cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Have a couple fairly mild days coming up. Friday is now looking like upper 40s, with 50 not out of the question. Des Moines has low to mid 50s for central Iowa. One of our locals still says upper 30s Saturday morning with falling temps, but the Euro continues to delay the cold front and has mid to upper 40s by mid afternoon. Our remaining small snow piles lining roads should take a hit. The arctic cold early next week is looking pretty tame if we don't get any additional snow. With no snow we are looking at maybe -5F for one night. That's nothing. A typical winter would see a few to several nights colder than -10F with -15 to -20 for very possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Too early to post a Chicago Wx's "epic storm pattern" bus on fire or going over a cliff? go for it, Tim has been drinking hard on the couch at debbie downer lane all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 -8.6 celcius at my place. The wind turned northeasterly an hour or so ago and almost immediately, the temperature fell two degrees celcius. The NE wind is definitely THE coldest wind Ontario and Quebec can expereince! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Temperatures here in northern Ohio could easily be in the single digits below zero come Tuesday morning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 -8.6 celcius at my place. The wind turned northeasterly an hour or so ago and almost immediately, the temperature fell two degrees celcius. The NE wind is definitely THE coldest wind Ontario and Quebec can expereince! Yup. Straight out of the Ottawa Valley and Quebec. No modification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Tuesday morning is shaping up to be the coldest morning. Could have a nearly ideal radiational cooling setup here with surface high moving into the area. I'm also interested to see what kind of dewpoints we can manage. Raw model numbers have dewpoints getting to at or below -15F here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Temperatures here in northern Ohio could easily be in the single digits below zero come Tuesday morning... That map is apparent temperature (wind chill). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Some pretty strong SW winds just above the surface to go along with the 40+ degree temps tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 weak upper wave kicking off some SHSN. Have a weak coating on the rooftops and streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Nice little surprise snowfall. Looks like I'll top out at 1" of pellets and fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Nice little surprise snowfall. Looks like I'll top out at 1" of pellets and fluff. Wow good for you. Not forecast at all? I have had bare ground here since midday Jan 11th but havent had measurable snow since the wee morning hours of Jan 6th. Hoping the Lakes can give us some surprises this week, even with the dry arctic airmass overhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Wow good for you. Not forecast at all? I have had bare ground here since midday Jan 11th but havent had measurable snow since the wee morning hours of Jan 6th. Hoping the Lakes can give us some surprises this week, even with the dry arctic airmass overhead. Nope. Just flurries in the forecast. Nice thing about living SE of the GLs when it gets cold and you have a dominant NW flow is that you're at some point going to get some minor accumulating snow from even the weakest of upper level disturbances. Just wish we could get a more organized clipper system to develop at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Nope. Just flurries in the forecast. Nice thing about living SE of the GLs when it gets cold and you have a dominant NW flow is that you're at some point going to get some minor accumulating snow from even the weakest of upper level disturbances. Just wish we could get a more organized clipper system to develop at some point. DTX mentioned westerly flow which IF a band can get organized is my best shot at 1"+ snows from the lake. NW flow is a lot more iffy here. If its a broken convective type of flow I may get under a good squall but should really count on a dusting and numerous "mood flakes"...if a dominant NW band forms and you are IN the band you can get 1-3" or even more but outside the band is lucky to see a flake....so Im really hoping for a westerly flow I-94 band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OntarioWX Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Nope. Just flurries in the forecast. Nice thing about living SE of the GLs when it gets cold and you have a dominant NW flow is that you're at some point going to get some minor accumulating snow from even the weakest of upper level disturbances. Just wish we could get a more organized clipper system to develop at some point. Hamilton looks like it may have gotten 2". It was snowing pretty good when I left the city earlier to stay in Chatham for the weekend. Looks like the snow should stay for tomorrow until it melts off Friday. A little bummed that I missed it since it's bare grass down here but at least I saw snow today. I consider that an accomplishment now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 DTX mentioned westerly flow which IF a band can get organized is my best shot at 1"+ snows from the lake. NW flow is a lot more iffy here. If its a broken convective type of flow I may get under a good squall but should really count on a dusting and numerous "mood flakes"...if a dominant NW band forms and you are IN the band you can get 1-3" or even more but outside the band is lucky to see a flake....so Im really hoping for a westerly flow I-94 band. I was talking more about weak synoptic disturbances that are infused by moisture as the cross the Lakes. They tend to be more generous with the spatial coverage of the accumulations but are usually <1" type deals. You can pretty much set your watch to these things in the type of pattern we're heading into. LES bands like you're talking about are way more hit and miss. I'm hoping I can at some point either get into a NNW band off Georgian Bay or a WNW band off Huron (with Superior connection if possible). Outside of an actual clipper that's my best chance for a 1"+ event. It's just tougher to get done. Always the chance 10 miles to your west gets 4" and you get squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I was talking more about weak synoptic disturbances that are infused by moisture as the cross the Lakes. They tend to be more generous with the spatial coverage of the accumulations but are usually <1" type deals. You can pretty much set your watch to these things in the type of pattern we're heading into. LES bands like you're talking about are way more hit and miss. I'm hoping I can at some point either get into a NNW band off Georgian Bay or a WNW band off Huron (with Superior connection if possible). Outside of an actual clipper that's my best chance for a 1"+ event. It's just tougher to get done. Always the chance 10 miles to your west gets 4" and you get squat. Ahh gotcha. Those are also very poorly modeled with qpf very meager and the results a little better. Or at least they have been in previous winters. Sure hope thats the case now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Hamilton looks like it may have gotten 2". It was snowing pretty good when I left the city earlier to stay in Chatham for the weekend. Looks like the snow should stay for tomorrow until it melts off Friday. A little bummed that I missed it since it's bare grass down here but at least I saw snow today. I consider that an accomplishment now. They were saying on 680 News that Burlington was getting it pretty good. There may have been a bit of a lake enhanced convergence band close to your neck of the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Down to 13. Coldest temp of the winter so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Just got out to a snow covered ground maybe 1/2-3/4" of fluff in Waterloo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Down to 13. Coldest temp of the winter so far. Wow thats surprising. What did you get down to on Jan 2? DTW hit 7F with 5" snowpack, I think your snowpack was similar. Maybe bad radiational cooling conditions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Down to 13. Coldest temp of the winter so far. Wow thats surprising. What did you get down to on Jan 2? DTW hit 7F with 5" snowpack, I think your snowpack was similar. Maybe bad radiational cooling conditions? Yeah. Down to 11F at my place. Coldest of the winter so far for me too. That's colder than our forecast low for tonight. Perhaps it's the light snowcover coupled with the NNE wind doing its work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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