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Late December Discussion and Christmas um Event


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Given IT IS THE GFS, if this is what the 500mb map looks like next Tuesday Night, we're going to be partying. This would result in an absolute bomb.

I was just about to post this myself... this is what I was sketching yesterday. Textbook SECS w/ 50/50 in place and +PNA

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I was just about to post this myself... this is what I was sketching yesterday. Textbook SECS w/ 50/50 in place and +PNA

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Yea that setup has everything you can ask for to be honest, +PNA w/ the split-flow, 50/50 low, and CAD. Would likely result in a phased bomb Miller A or some type of hybrid Miller A-B.

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THe GFS will probably screw it up, but there is major phasing about to happen around day 7-7.5. Would likely result in a huge cutoff over the Tennessee Valley. Reminds me a lot of the 09-10 snowstorms.

I like the look, but if phasing happened that far west, wouldn't that force a west of the Apps track? The 50/50 looks good, but it seems like we'd have southerly winds with a huge cut-off to our west.

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Well, I've had several teachers at the school tell me they want a New Years storm to extend the current break. I guess that would do the trick.

Will be interesting to see if the Euro starts picking up on the 1/2 storm. I had posted a comment yesterday on the January thread that we can't have storms on both 12/30 and 1/2, instead one would have to sacrifice itself for the other. Seems like in the south you need a good 4 days in-between shortwaves to pop a good storm.

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I like the look, but if phasing happened that far west, wouldn't that force a west of the Apps track? The 50/50 looks good, but it seems like we'd have southerly winds with a huge cut-off to our west.

Verbatim it would probably be a miller a/b type system where the SLP goes towards central GA and then kinda redevlops off of SC. Not a traditional Miller A, but more of a hybrid kinda like 1996. Too far out to really worry about any specifics though. It could trend much differently. It's fun to think about the possibilities w/ that map.

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Verbatim it would probably be a miller a/b type system where the SLP goes towards central GA and then kinda redevlops off of SC. Not a traditional Miller A, but more of a hybrid kinda like 1996. Too far out to really worry about any specifics though. It could trend much differently. It's fun to think about the possibilities w/ that map.

Thanks. Yeah, that'll change for sure, but you're right about it being fun to look at. 1996 sucked for me. Fast forward that about 4 years and now we're talking. :)

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Here's what DT has to say about the 12z GFS

Wxrisk.com

COMMENTS ON DEC 30 EVENT and POSSIBLE EAST COAST WINTER STORM... 12Z GFS run

Ignore it . Besides the cold bias of the Model one of then other well known problems with the GFS Model is that is LOVES to take 2 pieces of energy in the Jet stream and MERGE of "PHASES" them into 1 bigger system . This is apparently what the 12z TUESDAY 12/25 run of the GFS is doing with respect to the the DEC 30 event.

Given

... 1) the overall pattern

2) the fact that will be a BIG over se Canada that will force the Low to swing WIDE -- stay south

3) the 12z CMC is way south and hits VA with a good snow

4) THE HUGE WILD SWINGS of the last several runs of the GFS Model

5) the amazing consistency of the last few rusn of the ECWMF and ECMWF ENS...

Like I said...12z gfs for DEC 30? ignore itSee More

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Here's what DT has to say about the 12z GFS

Wxrisk.com

COMMENTS ON DEC 30 EVENT and POSSIBLE EAST COAST WINTER STORM... 12Z GFS run

Ignore it . Besides the cold bias of the Model one of then other well known problems with the GFS Model is that is LOVES to take 2 pieces of energy in the Jet stream and MERGE of "PHASES" them into 1 bigger system . This is apparently what the 12z TUESDAY 12/25 run of the GFS is doing with respect to the the DEC 30 event.

Given

... 1) the overall pattern

2) the fact that will be a BIG over se Canada that will force the Low to swing WIDE -- stay south

3) the 12z CMC is way south and hits VA with a good snow

4) THE HUGE WILD SWINGS of the last several runs of the GFS Model

5) the amazing consistency of the last few rusn of the ECWMF and ECMWF ENS...

Like I said...12z gfs for DEC 30? ignore itSee More

Interesting for sure, after last week when he said the storm tomorrow won't cut because of the "Rex block", and now the storm is cutting up the OV...Euro is running, if it holds than that would be huge. But the GEFS was farther NW than the OP.

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You guys still talking about the storm on the 30th? We might ought to have a thread for the 30 storm and one for the post new year's storm.

TW

We already have a January discussion thread, which has already included the post New Year's storm posts.

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Euro looks like snow in central and west NC, but boundary layer looks warm (mid-30's) on Friday night/Saturday. Obviously can/will change. I do think this looks pretty good though from AVL to GSO west if the euro is right. The sfc warming is probably overdone.

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