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December 27/28 Storm Threat


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There may not be much of any snow S of the Pike for either threat at this rate.

I'm not really feeling the front end thump of snow from this.

May wind up being a north of the Pike kinda deal. Could be one of those things where places like Northampton, Greenfield, Brattleboro and Keene are able to lay down a 3-6 before pinging hard.

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Lol at the 18 GFS and folks thinking it might be right, no support

What are you talking about? The models all day have ticked back west a bit today... including the hallowed Euro ensemble mean. Seem to be converging on a solution that's messy for many but void of sig snow outside of upstate NY and C/NNE.

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May wind up being a north of the Pike kinda deal. Could be one of those things where places like Northampton, Greenfield, Brattleboro and Keene are able to lay down a 3-6 before pinging hard.

Even that may be pushing it... the height field looks atrocious. It may taint all the way to PF.

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What are you talking about? The models all day have ticked back west a bit today... including the hallowed Euro ensemble mean. Seem to be converging on a solution that's messy for many but void of sig snow outside of upstate NY and C/NNE.

Follow the logic tree:

I like 1-2 with Lolli 3 n of hvn

That really doesn't have much (if any) model support but good luck!

Neither did the Nov 27 event

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Most of us got little if any from that lol

Lol at the 18 GFS and folks thinking it might be right, no support

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Even that may be pushing it... the height field looks atrocious. It may taint all the way to PF.

Yeah most definitely.

I will say the storm is filling/occluded by the time it reaches us so we begin to shut off some of the stronger advective processes. So eventually the warmth is going to slow down but as that happy the whole storm becomes disjointed and the strongest vertical motion begins to wane.

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Even that may be pushing it... the height field looks atrocious. It may taint all the way to PF.

I like your thinking but I'm not ready to jump that far yet. I think NNE is fine, CNE probably too at least in terms of a net gain for snowfall.

The trend is a little disturbing today and both the ensembles were further west than I'd like. Let's see what happens.

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What are you talking about? The models all day have ticked back west a bit today... including the hallowed Euro ensemble mean. Seem to be converging on a solution that's messy for many but void of sig snow outside of upstate NY and C/NNE.

Gfs is alone in all rain for SNE. I think we can do a 2-4 thump inland before ice. Secondary should track over Cc per climo. Just my opinion on it
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Gfs is alone in all rain for SNE. I think we can do a 2-4 thump inland before ice. Secondary should track over Cc per climo. Just my opinion on it

Disagree about the CC secondary given where the models are placing the UL forcing.

And it's not all rain for SNE it's snow to sleet to rain. I really don't see an ice signal at this point.

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Yeah most definitely.

I will say the storm is filling/occluded by the time it reaches us so we begin to shut off some of the stronger advective processes. So eventually the warmth is going to slow down but as that happy the whole storm becomes disjointed and the strongest vertical motion begins to wane.

Love those disjointed occluded deals with drizzle and fog for everyone ... with the WAA precip outrunning the filling POS low way into Maine and some backside SHSN near Saranac Lake at 33.

Kind of wish I had the last 7 days spent tracking back,

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Love those disjointed occluded deals with drizzle and fog for everyone ... with the WAA precip outrunning the filling POS low way into Maine and some backside SHSN near Saranac Lake at 33.

Kind of wish I had the last 7 days spent tracking back,

Yeah it will turn pretty sloppy. Overall just not a great storm for us, unfortunately. Even if we were cold enough the whole thing is starting to wind down and fill.

I don't know these things can put down a quick thump but we'll see.

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I like your thinking but I'm not ready to jump that far yet. I think NNE is fine, CNE probably too at least in terms of a net gain for snowfall.

The trend is a little disturbing today and both the ensembles were further west than I'd like. Let's see what happens.

I'm not sold on this... but am on the sidelines regardless.

As an aside, there is something aesthetically pleasing about a storm that tracks from the Chesapeake to the BM while strengthening... beautiful, discrete quadrants, consolidated precip, tight cutoffs, well defined advective processes...

Rather than a storm that is broken up by the Apps while becoming an atmospheric finger painting.

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I'm not sold on this... but am on the sidelines regardless.

As an aside, there is something aesthetically pleasing about a storm that tracks from the Chesapeake to the BM while strengthening... beautiful, discrete quadrants, consolidated precip, tight cutoffs, well defined advective processes...

Rather than a storm that is broken up by the Apps while becoming an atmospheric finger painting.

lol I like that

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Seems odd to see this much confidence in a forecast as far as probabilities/percentages this far out...

Wednesday: Snow likely, mainly after 4pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 31. Chance of precipitation is 60%.

Wednesday Night: Rain, snow, and sleet before 3am, then rain and sleet between 3am and 5am, then freezing rain and sleet after 5am. Low around 27. Chance of precipitation is 90%.

Thursday: Rain, freezing rain, and sleet. High near 37. Chance of precipitation is 80%.

Thursday Night: Rain and snow showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 24. Chance of precipitation is 70%.

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Saki what is wrong with you? Please I am asking you one more time . Please stop doing doing this.

You're commenting on people for looking at the 18z GFS claiming it has no support (which is factually incorrect) when you're on the other thread going at it with Ryan over his Xmas forecast when your forecast has almost no support but that's okay because of the 11/27 event? Makes a lot of sense.

I'll tell you what, you stop baiting people including admins with your posts and I'll stop posting the ridiculous statements (cars off road due to winds, 4-8" on xmas, 96 hours of snow) you make when they bust. Others have asked YOU to stop with the routine, I think I speak for a silent majority in asking that it ends. It's grown tiresome. The pattern is what it is, we're here to talk weather not watch a sideshow and get drawn into drama. People were discussing the 18z GFS, that's all.

HPC is pretty far west over NYC. Not bad up north.

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