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The one storm I know of that was really deep into Baja like that was Jan 22, 1987. Here it is on Jan 20 - http://www.meteo.psu...1987/us0120.php

Even though the kid in me is trying to show itself, please remind me that the 84hr NAM is usually on crack. Will try not to get too caught up in the emotion until I see the Euro and GFS showing a similar outcome tonight..... but I have to say I am starting to get that feeling.

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Looks pretty good also note the High up in Canada moving in just at the right time, it sure does have the potential to be a big dog, and that is all we can ask for this far out. SE ridge also look like it wants to help give our system a nudge north and up the coast a little way.

Was just going through the NAM loop on EWall...the wave along the west coast is half way down Baja California at hr84 and is still digging...I actually let out a "Holy S-bomb"...my wife goes "What?"...and I go "Nothing"

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The one storm I know of that was really deep into Baja like that was Jan 22, 1987. Here it is on Jan 20 - http://www.meteo.psu...1987/us0120.php

That was a pretty huge winter storm for the state, mby got hammered with 15 inches of snow, I didn't witness though just looked through the records. That really started what was an epic period of winter weather for the NW part of NC.

http://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/climate/winter_wx/database.php?location_county=&StartMonth=01&StartDay=1&StartYear=1973&EndMonth=09&EndDay=4&EndYear=2012&Submit=Submit&page=5

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we would not want a phase to early as it would cut ...no?

Yes, I'd say that is generally the case for our areas despite probably seeming counterintuitive. March 1993 was a major exception. If you look back at the strength of lows that caused major wintry precip. in the BHM to ATL corridor over the last 100+ years, they were mostly Miller A's that were fairly weak to moderate strength while still moving in the northern GOM and then moved either into the FL panhandle to near Savannah or further south over the N FL pen. (and sometimes even C FL for ATL). A too early phase would tend to lift the low further northward too much and increase the risk of too much warm advection. It is generally better for the phase to wait til it gets to the east coast, when it doesn't matter to our areas that much, regardless, since we're normally done by then with the bulk of the precip. I'm not speaking for NC/SC or other areas.

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Yes, I'd say that is generally the case for our areas despite probably seeming counterintuitive. March 1993 was a major exception. If you look back at the strength of lows that caused major wintry precip. in the BHM to ATL corridor over the last 100+ years, they were mostly Miller A's that were fairly weak to moderate strength while still moving in the northern GOM and then moved either into the FL panhandle to near Savannah or further south over the N FL pen. (and somethimes even C FL for ATL). A too early phase would tend to lift the low further northward too much and increase the risk of too much warm advection. It is generally better for the phase to wait til it gets to the east coast, when it doesn't matter to our areas that much, regardless, since we're normally done by then with the bulk of the precip. I'm not speaking for NC/SC or other areas.

Cool ....thanks

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That was a pretty huge winter storm for the state, mby got hammered with 15 inches of snow, I didn't witness though just looked through the records. That really started what was an epic period of winter weather for the NW part of NC.

http://www.nc-climat...t=Submit&page=5

Yeah, that was the 2nd deepest storm for me in my 48 years of living here. I remember it well, and If this upcoming storm is anything like that one, I would not care if I didn't see another flake the rest of the winter.

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The ULL in the southwest looks more potent this run compared to the 18z and more consolidated as well.

At hour 84 it's not closed off like 18z was at hr 90 but it looks like it's digging more this run in the middle of the baja.

Btw burger please continue with your pbp I was just adding a couple comments didn't mean to seem like I was trying to take over :hug:

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This run looks like it might be a train wreck @96 our low is almost non existent in the GOM around LA. We'll see where it goes.

I really don't see anything happening here. That s/w over TX and Mex needs to be way stronger to overcome the SE ridge and allow a phase... the strongly pos tilt to the trough axis is not conducive to an amplified scenario.

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I really don't see anything happening here. That s/w over TX and Mex needs to be way stronger to overcome the SE ridge and allow a phase... the strongly pos tilt to the trough axis is not conducive to an amplified scenario.

It really wasn't even close, granted we still have 5 days but the changes for the worse were day 3-4 changes. Hopefully tomorrow.

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From DT posted 2 minutes ago:

0z sunday run of the GFS coming in... Its only partially complete But ... well ignore this run ... it is seriously flawed and develops a number of "NEW features" in the Jet stream that was NOT there before...

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It's obvious the GFS is struggling with the upper air pattern. I would caution against getting too emotionally involved in any runs until we're 48 hours or less away from this event because regardless of how other features evolve, the northern stream energy isn't going to get well sampled until the 11th hour, and it will certainly play an integral role in how this event plays out. My main concern has been and still is the battle between the cold air we need over KY/VA and the stubborn southeast ridge which is going to be there and be pushing back against the advance of the polar push from the PV over southeastern Canada.

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When is the last time when we had a cutoff snow storm in these parts? I'm getting old but think the Carolina Crusher was a cutoff hybrid. It still makes me sick to this day to think about that storm, Nada Flake here and about 25 miles south of me a foot plus.

Was that the one in Jan. 2000?

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