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Looking only at my backyard, this is the first time this year I didn't look at the models and go.....ugh. I'm watching this one with slowly increasing interest.

Every 12z model run (operational and ensemble, even 18z gfs) today have our county getting significant winter weather In the form of snow,sleet,freezing rain. I'd say sleet shows up the most, then snow, then frzng rain if you weight all the different scenerios spit out. My interest is perked and my gut tells me there is gonna be more qpf than what is being put out on these runs. Keep in mind all have been showing .25-.50 today so that in itself all frozen would be a significant event. The past couple of systems,even last night have turned out wetter than forecasted. The confluence up north is the key going forward. Need to keep the pesky LP's that where firing across the great lakes regions out of the way so hp will be sitting there at the right time AND/OR just get a fully phased miller A ride up the FL/GA/SC coast.

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My take on 12/29 12Z/18Z models for 1/3 for nonmtn. N GA wintry precip. chances (ATL-AHN metro areas northward):

a. Goofy (GFS) has a favorable tracking Miller A near the FL/GA border that's too warm for S at 850 but that appears to give NE GA a major ZR. However, it is likely a little too warm for the ATL area and AHN may be getting nothing more than minor ZR. The 18Z Goofy is pretty similar but seemingly with a little less ZR in NE GA.

b. Despite a pretty nice tracking Miller A over far N FL pen., Doc (Euro) is too warm at 850 for S and there is no wedging. So, it says ~no wintry for GA.

c. With a classic Miller A track over the N FL pen., the Crazy Uncle (CMC) gives the N ATL burbs to AHN a major S (as much as 5-6") which tapers down to the north with less precip. and which is mainly R to the S due to little wedging. The CMC is a less accurate model on avg. and seems to have some tendency for being too far S with tracks/too cold as it was with a recent storm. So, I'd never bet on the CMC's S when the other two don't have S. However, it does tell me it is a small possibility. Then again, the other models would need to go toward it.

d. Summary: the 4 runs from the three models all have a nearly perfect (from N GA's standpoint) tracking weak Miller A. These are the kinds of tracks that have produced major S/IP/ZR from the S ATL-AHN metro areas northward in early Jan. as well as during other parts of winter. A weak low as opposed to a strong/phasing low is usually better because it gives the sfc low a better chance of staying pretty far south and limit warm air advection. March, 1993 is one of the exceptions. The vast majority of major N GA wintry storms have been from not so strong sfc lows. The problem in this case may be the lack of cold enough air to the north, which sometimes prevents wintry precip., as mainly suggested by Doc. Regardless, with all three models (four runs) now having this kind of Miller A track, I'm upping the odds of something minor or more for a good bit of N GA for ~Jan. 3 back up to ~1 in 3. (~1 in 6 for sig.+). (I had reduced them in recent days due to a lack of modeled threats.)

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Now we're talking! That's all I ever want...a chance for timing between potential components in the process of becoming :) And good odds to boot :) I hope between now and then we can find some better cold though, because zrain has a way of finding me, lol. How strong must the parent high, forcing down the cold, have been to turned all that rain in 73 to zrain! That's got to be like the Blizzard of Zrains in Ga., lol. Not happening too often. T

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About half of the 18z GFS individual ensemble members has snow outside of the mountains in the SE.

http://raleighwx.ame...8zsnowf138.html

if anything it shows that a variety of options are still on the table. its gonna be key to not get too up or down with each model run and watch the overall trends. but i know if 00z comes in as a big daddy phased bomb the board would explode. seems like it has been forever since we have had a true weenie run within 120hrs.

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I can see a big CAD event for you guys/gals east of the apps, but just not feeling a west of the apps.......TN valley/midsouth snowstorm. Possibly some ice, but who wants that?? All modeling shows a warm nose into east TN and that makes sense to me. Roberts writeup made me optimistic for a few hours, but I just can't shake the feeling of the warm nose coming.

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if anything it shows that a variety of options are still on the table. its gonna be key to not get too up or down with each model run and watch the overall trends. but i know if 00z comes in as a big daddy phased bomb the board would explode. seems like it has been forever since we have had a true weenie run within 120hrs.

I have serious doubts about the prospect of a big phased storm with the trough axis being so severely pos. tilted due to the SE ridge, but if it did, then katy bar the door buddy.

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So, when you look at these snow maps I take it that it's best to look at the one that is in the middle to get a good picture of what could happen. Is that the case? And if so, which one is the middle of the road solution?

Brick......... the one in the "middle of the road" would be the ensemble mean. It averages all the members together and smooths out all the possible outcomes. I thought you already knew that.

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Interesting the 00z nam is attempting to phase the northern vort and stj s/w at hour 84. That's what I think could lead to a huge cutoff scenario over the east coast. We'lll see if the models could converage to something like that. AKA the big dog solution. All the components are there for it (PNA ridge, 50/50 low, active STJ).

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Interesting the 00z nam is attempting to phase the northern vort and stj s/w at hour 84. That's what I think could lead to a huge cutoff scenario over the east coast. We'lll see if the models could converage to something like that. AKA the big dog solution. All the components are there for it (PNA ridge, 50/50 low, active STJ).

Will this lead to the 850s being too warm as others alluded to? Or will it allow 850s to be colder than modeled?

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So - I'm looking at the h5 maps - and while I'm certainly a novice, the upper air pattern next week is setting up similarly to the jan 78 blizzard.

I feel like I'm seeing three separate pieces of energy. Got a nice pna ridge, cold polar vortex in eastern Canada. Any thoughts on that?

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I hope you don't actually think I am asking for mby? I assure you I know it isn't going to snow in chas...I'm asking in the overall sense. I have no skin in this game.

I'm just messing around. It would probably, i mean this may not happen at all, but if it were to phase more, it would mean a much more amplified scenario out of the GOM.

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Interesting the 00z nam is attempting to phase the northern vort and stj s/w at hour 84. That's what I think could lead to a huge cutoff scenario over the east coast. We'lll see if the models could converage to something like that. AKA the big dog solution. All the components are there for it (PNA ridge, 50/50 low, active STJ).

Was just going through the NAM loop on EWall...the wave along the west coast is half way down Baja California at hr84 and is still digging...I actually let out a "Holy S-bomb"...my wife goes "What?"...and I go "Nothing"

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Was just going through the NAM loop on EWall...the wave along the west coast is half way down Baja California at hr84 and is still digging...I actually let out a "Holy S-bomb"...my wife goes "What?"...and I go "Nothing"

Yea it's pretty dramatic looking at hour 84 aloft.

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