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December 20-22 Winter Storm (Blizzard?) Potential


Hoosier

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It has been a very long time since the Detroit area was in the thick of things in this type of set up. So long I can seem to recall one. Typicially the bulk of the snow is mid state and runs towards the thumb. As you run SE snow turns to rain and we get dry slotted when the snow turn over. Could this be the season where this setup changes?? I think Lake Erie has something to do with the upper air patterns, or it is just a coincedence.

The Detroit area was in the thick of a ton of storms in the 4 years prior to last year when no one was in the thick of anything (other than garden variety snowfalls). Its ALLLL dependent on storm track (not Lake Erie). I was saying in the med/longrange thread...perhaps a good sign is the various storm tracks weve seen so far this fall and very early winter. Though there is never a winter with just one storm track, often a predominate track sets up, but perhaps if there isnt any dominating track this year, it could be the year where in the end everyone has had a share of the fun but no one area gets absolutely crushed.

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Okay new question. When has the nam ever been the only model to catch on to something that no other model has.

The NAM is notorious for having ungodly qpf numbers in significant storm systems that do not verify 99.9% of the time. As hoosier said, the NAM has its moments, but I would take the Euro on my side over the NAM. Just have to hope this is not one of the NAM's moments lol (meaning track-wise...still doubt the qpf will verify).

EDIT: I see qpf is not at 2"+ some were just extrapolating. So MAYBE the nam qpf could come close to verifying. Speaking of MSP, their depth is down to 1". I really did not see them losing a water-laden 10" of snow like that. Wow.

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The runs this evening will be fun to watch, to be honest I don't believe the Nam has a good handle on the northern energy with it keeping most of it Canada with a small piece breaking off in the H85-700mb layer, the rest of the models show it somewhat deeper and bringing a dry layer directly behind over central MN, causing the block to push this system south. Ultimately I think the track will driven by the northern energy coming just before lee side cyclogenisis

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The block is over eastern Canada creating a new pv over the plains which phases with the aggressive pacfiic wave. I would think a stronger block would create a stronger, further northwest low because of that.

The real problem is the -PNA.

No, this would not be correct. That would only make sense if the block was down the entire East Coast. It is not.

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Stating the obvious and not saying it's going to be right, but if ejection occurs as shown with decent height rises ahead of the trough, a NAM-like solution is possible.

I recall a winterstorm several years ago...I believe leading up to xmas. Every model was hammering a major snowstorm for chicago/IN, except the nam, (actually the eta at the time). The eta was showing nothing, a non-event, weak wave etc. Damn thing scored the coupe.

I'm on the sidelines for this one regardless. But if I was on the southeastern fringes of a snowstorm coming out of the sw and the nam was blowing this thing nw of me, (even as an outlier).... i'd be a bit concerned. Not so much that it will verify to that extreme, but it might be telltale that the other models will start coming in a bit nw.

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2009 we had a something like this happen. Everything looked great and the NAM capitulated and we had a MSP special instead of a well advertised I80 special. This happens I guess.

Yup, I remember it happening several times during that winter... '09-'10.... The NAM would be northwest of all the models and not budge...eventually being the right one. I feel like if it stands out like this, it is going to be correct. I hope I am wrong.

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