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December 20-22 Winter Storm (Blizzard?) Potential


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12z euro ensemble mean tracks it to Toledo and then Toronto..Then a new low pops near NYC to near Boston/Cape and then just off the Maine coast.. Thus a little bit se of the op run.. Furthest nw one is over Chicago while furthest east is near Cleveland. Alot more of them pops a new low near i95 between Philly and NYC. None are showing sub 980 till it is in New England. Thus a bit weaker overall. The .75 line cuts through Chicago on up the lake to near Traverse City with more ( .75 to 1.00 ) east across all of lower MI and less ( .50 to .75 ) west to E.IA up to Green Bay..

Tracking right overhead would've seemed impossible just a day or two here... I'm still convinced I won't see more than some flurries or a snow shower on the backside of this but for those still in the game these next few days are going to be one hell of a wild ride.

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Tracking right overhead would've seemed impossible just a day or two here... I'm still convinced I won't see more than some flurries or a snow shower on the backside of this but for those still in the game these next few days are going to be one hell of a wild ride.

All about where it ejects into the Plains and to some degree the possible blocking.. A weaker system ( one that takes longer to develop/deepen ) could easily track further to the se.

But yeah it is looking to be a wild ride for sure.

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If it tracks further Southeast, that would mean that I would miss out on the snow entirely. Please I DO NOT want another repeat of last year's winter (which wasn't really a winter at all). :axe:

Sorry if i'm ranting, still somewhat bitter after the lame winter last year.

EDIT: OR if the low tracks right over Iowa, that would mean a COLD rain for me. At least it isn't ice lol.

Also, the last time we've had a major winter storm was on February 1, 2011. >_>

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Globals suck with this type of setup. Remember December 1st 2006? Somewhat similiar type system.

Wasn't that the storm that clobbered St. Louis with that nasty ice storm while Oklahoma got a blizzard?

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I gotta wonder if HPC is favoring the NAM. This is the most recent day 3 snow outlook.

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Have there actually been any lake cutters this season yet...serious question...other than on the models? Wasn't the wave tomorrow suppose to be a wound up cutter at one point?

Maybe that's what we should look for. If this one late week, actually winds up and ends up in the lakes somewhere....we have the true beginning of a 'change'.

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Have there actually been any lake cutters this season yet...serious question...other than on the models? Wasn't the wave tomorrow suppose to be a wound up cutter at one point?

Maybe that's what we should look for. If this one late week, actually winds up and ends up in the lakes somewhere....we have the true beginning of a 'change'.

The storm that just buried MSP

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Have there actually been any lake cutters this season yet...serious question...other than on the models? Wasn't the wave tomorrow suppose to be a wound up cutter at one point?

Maybe that's what we should look for. If this one late week, actually winds up and ends up in the lakes somewhere....we have the true beginning of a 'change'.

not really...MSP snowstorm looked like a candidate at mid-range but northern energy asserted early and never let go

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The storm that just buried MSP

then I guess technically yes. Far western Lakes. I was thinking more about eastern WI shores to e.lakes. It just seems we've seen a lot of modeled storms in the 5-10 day range and in the sub 990 strength showing up in the central lakes area. I guess one good thing with this one, it's 96 hours out.

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WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY...FOCUSING ON THE NEXT UPPER LEVEL WAVE

PROPAGATING INLAND OFF THE PACIFIC AND TRYING TO PHASE FURTHER ACRS

THE MID CONUS FOR A POTENTIAL WINTER STORM SYSTEM WED INTO THU...

ASSESSING THE LATEST SUITE OF 12Z MEDIUM RANGE MODEL RUNS AND

EVOLUTION OF LOW TO MID LEVEL LOW PRESSURE CENTERS...THERE IS A

GENERAL MODEST SHIFT BACK TO THE SOUTH AND EAST. ENSEMBLE SFC LOW

TRACK IS GENERALLY ACRS NORTHERN OK ON WED...WITH AN EAST-NORTHEAST

EJECTION FROM SOUTHWEST MO THROUGH EAST CENTRAL/SOUTHEASTERN IL MID

NIGHT WED NIGHT INTO MIDDAY THU...AND THEN CONTINUE TO DEEPEN TO SUB

990 MB LEVELS OVER PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST/EAST CENTRAL LOWER MI THU

NIGHT. THE 12Z GFS FOLLOWS THIS GENERAL PATH BUT IS MORE PROGRESSIVE

WITH SFC LOW INTO SOUTHWESTERN MI BY THU MORNING. THE 12Z NAM THROUGH

84 HRS APPEARS TO BE THE FURTHEST NORTHWEST PATH AND OUTLIER FROM THE

REST WITH SFC LOW PLACEMENT NEAR KANSAS CITY MO BY 00Z THU. STILL

FEEL ANOTHER DAY OR TWO OF RUNS AND FOR THE UPPER LEVEL TROF TO COME

A SHORE AND GET BETTER SAMPLED FOR MORE CONFIDENCE IN EVENTUAL TRACK

CERTAINTY...BUT THE GENERAL IDEA OF THE LATEST SUITE OF MODEL RUNS

AND SUBTLE SOUTHEAST SHIFT WOULD STILL PLACE THE DVN CWA AT RISK OF

A WINTER STORM AND ACCUMULATING SNOWS OF AT LEAST 4-8 INCHES IN

PORTIONS OF THE LOCAL AREA BY MIDDAY THU WITH BULK OF ACCUMS

OCCURRING WED NIGHT INTO EARLY THU MORNING. THE SOUTHEAST SHIFT ALSO

HAS THE PRECIP STARTING AS SNOW OVER MORE REAL ESTATE EARLIER WITH

ALL BUT THE FAR SOUTHEASTERN CWA EITHER STARTING AS ALL SNOW OR DOING

A QUICK TURNOVER BY MID WED EVENING. BULK OF ACCUMULATING SNOW

ACCORDING TO THE LATEST RUNS SHOULD BE EXITING OUT OF THE FAR

NORTHEASTERN CWA BY 00Z FRI IF NOT EARLIER. STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS

AND COLD AIR ADVECTION TO FOLLOW DEF ZONE PRECIP ON THU FOR BLOWING

AND DRIFTING OF ANY SNOW THAT DOES FALL. INTENSE LLVL CYCLONIC FLOW

PATTERN ACRS THE WESTERN GRT LKS AND MID MS RVR VALLEY INDICATED BY

THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIUM RANGE RUNS STILL LOOKS TO SUGGEST SFC

WINDS SUSTAINED 25 TO 35 MPH POSSIBLE WITH GUSTS UP TO AT LEAST 45

MPH INTO EARLY THU EVENING. AFTER THE SYSTEM EXITS...CURRENTLY

PROGGED AIRMASS TO ARRIVE SUGGEST LOWS IN THE LOW TO MID TEENS THU

NIGHT...WITH FRESH SNOW COVER AND ANY CLEARING POSSIBLY ALLOWING A

FEW UPPER SINGLE DIGITS TO OCCUR BY EARLY FRI MORNING. HIGHS ON FRI

HAVING TROUBLE RECOVERING OUT OF THE 20S IF WRAP AROUND STRATOCU

CLOAKS THE REGION.

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All about where it ejects into the Plains and to some degree the possible blocking.. A weaker system ( one that takes longer to develop/deepen ) could easily track further to the se.

But yeah it is looking to be a wild ride for sure.

I'm somewhat thankful I don't have the stress of dealing with that right now... I'm just here enjoying tracking a storm for once.

Let's see...the NAM at 84 hours vs the Euro/its 51 member ensemble suite/everything else suggesting a track farther east. I'm gonna go down with the non NAM solutions every time.

Playing the odds is overrated... gotta be like Joe B.

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