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Stumbling into a wintry pattern, weenies confused; still shaken from last winter

earthlight

By earthlight,
in New York City Metro

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Absolute Humidity

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Wait, you mean we don't usually get 6 KU events in 3 years like we have been getting recently?

It's not so much the KU's, I had one two months ago. It's the lack of sustained cold and snow cover for many outside of Mt. Earthlight. After our three year run of amazing winters, my kids actually expected to see a white Christmas believe it or not. They're almost 7 and have Boxing Day burned into their minds even though it occurred a day after Christmas.

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earthlight

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I just want to clarify that this is not what I meant at all. I am plenty old enough to remember winters where we got a dusting if we were lucky, but at least it was cold

 

My post was sarcasm...some people tend to forget that we average way less than what we've experienced in general over the last several years.

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EasternLI

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My post was sarcasm...some people tend to forget that we average way less than what we've experienced in general over the last several years.

 

 

I picked up on the sarcasm, I just wanted to clarify. I thought my original post may have been misleading. By the way, thanks for all of your analysis on the board in the past and into the future as well (not sarcasm).

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41.7F mean for my backyard in December, and I had a 41.4F mean for November. Pretty impressive. Temperatures basically haven't changed from Nov 1st-Jan 1st. We've experienced another prolonged autumn.

 

Interesting that  your Dec mean was 0.3 higher than your Nov mean while mine was 1.7 lower.

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Interesting that  your Dec mean was 0.3 higher than your Nov mean while mine was 1.7 lower.

 

 

 

Another impressive stat is my # of nights < 32 was 17 in November, and 15 in December. Not sure if that's ever happened before. The Nov number was admittedly impressive and higher than normal.

 

In fact, my mean minimum for November was 32.5F, and my mean minimum for December was 33.9F. My mean max temp was 50.9F in Nov and 49.4F in December. So the nighttime minima in December were blowtorch for my backyard. We had a ton of excellent radiational cooling nights in November.

 

Here's another stat -- my lowest temp in November was 23.8F on November 6th. My lowest temp for December was a measly 23.0F on Christmas Eve. It's telling that such cold anomalies haven't been seen since our major snowstorm in early November.

 

 

For 2012, I finished with a +2.4 temp departure, much warmer than 2011's +1.2, and 2010's +1.7.

 

Precip, finished 44.2" for 2012, after nearly 58" in 2011, and 44" in 2010.

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uncle W

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this could be one of those years when the coldest temperature of the season comes in February or March...2001-02 has the highest winter minimum on record...19 degrees recorded in February and March...If this pattern continues that record is in reach...I'm not writing off January yet but if it flops then we only have February and March left...lousey winters like 1979-80 had its coldest temperature March 1st...Biggest snowfall March 13th...the ole warm winter of 1889-90 had a snowy March and the coldest temperature that year......

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What is the point of cold air if it doesn't snow? I'd rather gave 60's and sun than cold and dry

 

 

It is helpful to areas who are influenced by ocean water temps...a period of cold, dry weather can knock several degrees off the sea surface temperature...which helps keep precipitation in the form of snow when a storm comes along down the line. 

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IsentropicLift

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If you love cold so much I suggest moving to Minnesota. In Minneapolis it's currently 14 degress with light snow falling. The forecast high is in the mid 20's all week except for Thursday which has a high forecasted of only 14. Why instead anyone is this sub-forum that constantly complains would pick the tropical paradise known as New York City/Long Island I have no idea.

 

One storm goes sour for a lot of posters here and all of a sudden Winter is over even though it's January second and Winter only began 12 days ago. Makes no damn sense.

 

I remained all snow with the last event and still only got about 4". A little minor event! That's what got everyone in such a crappy mood. Some people here need to grow up.

 

Looking at the long range Euro/GFS/GGEM I can see why everyone is calling for a big warm up in about 7-10 days with the big ridges off both coasts. We get into a SW flow, but after that storm swings through things cool off, and who is to say that things don't change as far as positioning as we get closer.

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last year NYC had 37 days with a minimum 32 or lower...That set a record for the least amount of 32 min days in NYC...The old record was 47 set in 2001-02...So that record was crushed...It also had only five or six in a row for the longest stretch...This year we only have 12 so far but we have a string of eight in a row now...

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last year NYC had 37 days with a minimum 32 or lower...That set a record for the least amount of 32 min days in NYC...The old record was 47 set in 2001-02...So that record was crushed...It also had only five or six in a row for the longest stretch...This year we only have 12 so far but we have a string of eight in a row now...

We'll probably add at least 5 more to that in the next 7 days

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Boxing Day spoiled a lot of posters in this sub-forum

 

More like the entire period of 12/30/00 til 3/1/11 did minus 01-02 and a couple of other duds like 06-07 anfd 07-08.  1984-1992 snowfall tendencies here were not normal either, but nor was most of the winters the last 12 years.

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More like the entire period of 12/30/00 til 3/1/11 did minus 01-02 and a couple of other duds like 06-07 anfd 07-08.  1984-1992 snowfall tendencies here were not normal either, but nor was most of the winters the last 12 years.

 

I'm old enough to remember 96 (I was 10 1/2 years old) and more than old enough to remember all the crappy winters that happened after that period. The first time I remember being upset about the weather was that storm that was supposed to be (the storm of century) in March 2001 as it was modeled 48 hours beforehand and it wound up going way inland. Some recent years it just seemed like nothing could stop it from snowing all the way to the coast and the last two have been the opposite. Things will change and are much better than last winter so far. This year seems to be a combination of lousy timing and the lack of consistent blocking where we need it. If the flow in the Pacific would just become a tad less progressive it would go a long way right now.

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