Allsnow Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I wish eduggs would come back to post in our forum. He's being attacked in the NE forum because he interprets what models actually show. He finally responds to the constant barrage and is immediately threatened by a mod. Odd bunch. I was wrong because my maps did not have the 0.01 for ct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I'm glad the 9" dump I got in november has not only kept me sane, but also puts me ahead of lots of locations up that way. Some of those folks don't deserve any snow based on that kind of behavior. Santa's watching, ya know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I was wrong because my maps did not have the 0.01 for ct. You fool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 12Z Euro shows blocking not strong enough so an inland solution giving us mainly liquid 12/27 event - good luck going against the Euro at this range .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 12Z Euro shows blocking not strong enough so an inland solution giving us mainly liquid 12/27 event - good luck going against the Euro at this range .............. The Euro has been wrong before in this timeframe. Not saying it's wrong but we have 6 days to go for this storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 12Z Euro shows blocking not strong enough so an inland solution giving us mainly liquid 12/27 event - good luck going against the Euro at this range .............. Nah, dont put too much stock in this 1 solution at day 7 a. the ensembles have been consistent with coming up east of the mtns and forming a secondary of the va coast . 2 .this is still 1000 miles east of where it was at day 9 wait for ensembles ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Nah, dont put too much stock in this 1 solution at day 7 a. the ensembles have been consistent with coming up east of the mtns and forming a secondary of the va coast . 2 .this is still 1000 miles east of where it was at day 9 wait for ensembles ...... yea forgot about those ensembles - whewwwwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 yea forgot about those ensembles - whewwwwww For the last 3 days the Ensembles argued a system coming up the Tenn Valley and redevoloping off the VA coast , at that time the operational had the system over WI , 3 days later the Ensembles haven`t changed and the Operational now has the system up the APPS , thats 1000 mile treack east in 3 days fwiw , systems dont like to climb the apps they usually like the ocean when they get far east . The GFS - JMA - CMC are all east of the mtns , so Its possible the Euro operational takes a day or 2 to catch on . The xmas storm does hold the key , so 4 days out on the Euro goin up west of the apps concerns me more than a day 7 operational . so I will wait for the Ensembles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 The OP Euro is far from perfect in this range, now if it shows this in a couple days, then I'll bite. I'm thinking it's either a more classic east coast storm or it hugs the coast, the lake cutter idea is off the books for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 HPC is going with the GFS and its ensembles in their just released revised map - they are discounting the EURO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmagan Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 12Z GGEM Total Snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Upton takes away any precip christmas day and mainly liquid for the mid/late week storm http://kamala.cod.edu/nj/latest.fpus51.KOKX.html Mount Holly the same http://kamala.cod.edu/nj/latest.fpus51.KPHI.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Upton takes away any precip christmas day and mainly liquid for the mid/late week storm http://kamala.cod.ed...pus51.KOKX.html Mount Holly the same http://kamala.cod.ed...pus51.KPHI.html HPC's gridded forecasts are quite different, but that may be due to the fact that they discounted the 12z ECMWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 It's the GFS operational and emsembles , the JMA , the Canadian and the European ensembles that take the primary through the Tenn Valley then develop a secondary off the VA coast vs the European operational at this time which takes the storm up the Apps and west of all the other global models . As it is the European operational is some 800 miles east of where it was 2 days ago . Something to hang your hat on . It's what HPC believes as the Euro operational is alone right now . And at 7 days away I wouldn't worry about rain snow lines , just focus ths cutting under the block and coming further east before it makes it turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 And you live on LI, you shouldn't be expecting snow in this pattern, you need a perfect track. That is quite a remarkable insight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 OZ Euro is trending towards the GFS solutions http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/euro/00zeuro850mbTSLPUS144.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick05 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 wow, that 1/1-1/3 MECS keeps showing up on the GFS, hopefully stays that way for another 240hrs lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 12z OP GFS get extremely cold, though it keeps getting pushed back. 2mT down to -9°F! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 wow, that 1/1-1/3 MECS keeps showing up on the GFS, hopefully stays that way for another 240hrs lol I want 60 inches of snow from late December - the end of January like 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 12z OP GFS get extremely cold, though it keeps getting pushed back. 2mT down to -9°F! That looks identical to January 1994. First real freezing rain threat next week in a long time. Was an El Nino winter. 1994 was an analog that was floating around in my head for this winter. Maybe, just maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 That looks identical to January 1994. First real freezing rain threat next week in a long time. Was an El Nino winter. 1994 was an analog that was floating around in my head for this winter. Maybe, just maybe. 1993-94 was ENSO neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 1993-94 was ENSO neutral. With a lean to a Nino but yes you are correct. Similar ENSO this winter which even strengthens that analog. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The coldest temperature that I ever remember was 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I want 60 inches of snow from late December - the end of January like 2011 you will be lucky this winter to see 6 inches not including the freak November accumulations - next weeks totals should be a couple inches at most for both systems combined in most of NYC metro and those cold temps seen on the 12Z GFS longer range cannot be believed................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isnice Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 you will be lucky this winter to see 6 inches not including the freak November accumulations - next weeks totals should be a couple inches at most for both systems combined in most of NYC metro and those cold temps seen on the 12Z GFS longer range cannot be believed................. The Euro looks pretty nice too in the long range... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The coldest temperature that I ever remember was 0. 6 for me. The coldest I've ever felt were teens though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 you will be lucky this winter to see 6 inches not including the freak November accumulations - next weeks totals should be a couple inches at most for both systems combined in most of NYC metro and those cold temps seen on the 12Z GFS longer range cannot be believed................. A statement like this is a clear indication that you're the kind of weenie that has a built-in optimism defense mechanism. It's a coping tool that only the most extreme weenies utilize to defend against disappointment. You and Anthony have a lot more in common than you might think. In all seriousness, I think making any definitive statements about the rest of winter is rather silly considering how difficult just forecasting the next week will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 A statement like this is a clear indication that you're the kind of weenie that has a built-in optimism defense mechanism. It's a coping tool that only the most extreme weenies utilize to defend against disappointment. You and Anthony have a lot more in common than you might think. In all seriousness, I think making any definitive statements about the rest of winter is rather silly considering how difficult just forecasting the next week will be. Reverse psychology I was trying to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green tube Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The coldest temperature that I ever remember was 0. coldest night i remember was january 21, 1984 14 below zero in new brunswick, NJ 15 below zero flemington, NJ 19 below zero morristown, NJ 24 below zero in chatam, NJ 24 below zero in rockaway, NJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Reverse psychology I was trying to use Clever you are. Are you trying to Jedi mind-trick me now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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