WxUSAF Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I was thinking that some of you down there who want to see snow could probably take a trip to Garrett County - it's a pretty decent lake effect/upslope scenario, correct? It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boreal Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I thought the same thing, I can't remember seeing anything like that before. A 528dm cutoff low with -15°C @ 850mb over Alabama? Not likely. Chalk one up one to the looney bin. Though not often that cold, the Euro often places cut off ULL's in the Southwest. Then again, like many of the cold signals we've seen in the modeling over the last several weeks, it is day 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't believe how foggy it's been all day. I can't remember the last time it was like this. Then again I wasn't really keeping track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't believe how foggy it's been all day. I can't remember the last time it was like this. Then again I wasn't really keeping track Air traffic is a mess. Looked on BWIs website again and the arrival board is filled with cancellations and delays. No better on the departures either. Last Monday when it was very foggy in the morning my flight was at least able to take off, but nothing was being allowed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avdave Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Air traffic is a mess. Looked on BWIs website again and the arrival board is filled with cancellations and delays. No better on the departures either. Last Monday when it was very foggy in the morning my flight was at least able to take off, but nothing was being allowed in. There is no ground stop or ground delay in place at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 There is no ground stop or ground delay in place at this time. Ok, but there are still a bunch of long delays and even cancellations. How long do the airlines usually wait before deciding to cancel? and what is the general criteria for ground delays/stops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 There is no ground stop or ground delay in place at this time. It ended at 4pm, per flightaware.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avdave Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Ok, but there are still a bunch of long delays and even cancellations. How long do the airlines usually wait before deciding to cancel? and what is the general criteria for ground delays/stops? It depends on a lot of factors as to when to cancel a flight. Equipement, re bookings, pax, etc etc As for the criteria it is as follows: Ground Delay Program: Is used on a day like today frequently. You will need larger distance between take off and landing of aircraft due to the visibility/wx in this case today and not being able to use VFR vs ILS approaches. It also reduces the large number of aircraft approaching the airport around the same time such as BWI being a SWA hub. The United States also has a partnership with airports in Canada to be able to work together with the amount of flights between the 2 airports as well as to when issue Ground Delay programs. So in basic terms a Ground Delay means that departures will be delayed, but generally planes will be given a "wheels-up" time so that they can plan to depart at that time. Ground Stop: A Ground stop is used when wx or other wx related issues are affecting the airport and could affect arriving or departing flights. Any flight that is in the air to BWI could be diverted to a different airport and any aircraft at the airport of say TPA will stay at TPA till the Ground stop is lifted. It is mainly due to keep a backup on air traffic from circling and causing major delays. So in easier words a Ground Stop means no planes are leaving regardless... Essentially planes are put in queue until the ground stop is over... Most times ground stops are only for short periods of time and can end suddenly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 fog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 fog Mapbaby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattie g Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 What an abysmal day. The only way to make it worse would have been to drop the temp by 10-15 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's kind of a messy warm advection pattern. if you can handle sprinkles, I think you can get your 4 hour window. I've played there before, wonderful course! 11AM to 2 PM time frame looks to be your best bet, but it's still going to be cloudy and drizzly at times. Great call guys. Really appreciate it. It was a little foggy and drizzley at times but managed to play 63 holes in 5 hours with only getting wet feet. The drive home gave me a headache. Dark and foggy as crap from the park to well south of Westminster. Lots of oncoming traffic too. Glad I was in no rush to get home because driving fast in that stuff is just asking for it. Totally made a great day out of what many rated as crappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Mapbaby? not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 What an abysmal day. The only way to make it worse would have been to drop the temp by 10-15 degrees. It's tough to have a day like this at the darkest time of year. Light really has trouble penetrating through the cloud deck.. it was dark at 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 not yet I nicknamed my wife Fort Knox with our second set of twins. She went full term and even pre-c she was on lockdown. Just crazy. I was so sure they were coming early and she went right to the end with no issues. If she was going natural it would have had to be induced. Sometimes they just want to hang in there and not face the world to fast. Much better that way than coming early anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's tough to have a day like this at the darkest time of year. Light really has trouble penetrating through the cloud deck.. it was dark at 4. I dont know how it was down south, but I was in a fog bank all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I nicknamed my wife Fort Knox with our second set of twins. She went full term and even pre-c she was on lockdown. Just crazy. I was so sure they were coming early and she went right to the end with no issues. If she was going natural it would have had to be induced. Sometimes they just want to hang in there and not face the world to fast. Much better that way than coming early anyway. Ill know how things are tomorrow morning - the plan is to induce this week. I want to be home for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryWX Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Decent line of thunder showers approaching my area. Starting to hear some thunder in the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It was 1/4mi to 1/2 mi all day. .02" in the bucket from drizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Month-end daylight gain from low, in DC: Dec (+3 min), Jan (+46 min), Feb (+110 min). Come on Feb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Druff Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Ill know how things are tomorrow morning - the plan is to induce this week. I want to be home for Christmas. Don't blame you for that at all! I think there was a natural breakage of the bag not long after the induction was confirmed in our case. Maybe that's the kick in the pants needed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 our second set of twins. This one's for you --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 This one's for you --> Lol- I often forget how crazy it sounds when I say it. It's not as hard as people think. First 2 years will kill ya but once they get to be around 2 you have perfect playmates. Mom and dad just referee. Singletons demand all your attention for quite a long time. I have it made now. My 15 year olds babysit my 8 year olds all the time so wifey and me can do what we want pretty often. Best of all we don't pay the 15 year olds for it. It's called rent. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porsche Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Lol- I often forget how crazy it sounds when I say it. It's not as hard as people think. First 2 years will kill ya but once they get to be around 2 you have perfect playmates. Mom and dad just referee. Singletons demand all your attention for quite a long time. I have it made now. My 15 year olds babysit my 8 year olds all the time o wifey and me can do what we want pretty often s . Best of all we don't pay the 15 year olds for it. It's called rent. Lol We have a set of 13 year old twins an they were are 1st, but after that, it seemed like the singletons weren't hard at all, expecting # 7 in May. And I love the rent comment, so true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattie g Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's tough to have a day like this at the darkest time of year. Light really has trouble penetrating through the cloud deck.. it was dark at 4. Yeah...it was pretty bad. Awful day to have the day off so the contractor could come in and do some work in the house. I didn't even want to go out with the dog. Good thing is that the current misty drizzle looks like snow in the Christmas spotlights I have up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxdude64 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Temp. up to 50.2 here with rain, which is now high for the day, stayed in the 45-47 range most of day in dreariness until around 7, then it started to climb to current temp. Giant fail on forecast, called for a high of 58 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avdave Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 FZFG Minus the FZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffwx Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 So, the new NAM runs well west of ChiTown-- Anyone else chuckle at the NE thread with the PANIC over ZR yesterday combined with the midweek storm going 80000 west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MN Transplant Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Got wet in one of those little convective cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 We have a set of 13 year old twins an they were are 1st, but after that, it seemed like the singletons weren't hard at all, expecting # 7 in May. And I love the rent comment, so true. Holy cow, 7? God bless you and your wife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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