schinz Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I don't know the orographic climo of NY so much will depend on location and aspect of the ridges but yes, there is definitely a les look on both the gfs and euro. It would likely to be enhanced on the backside the the departing low d8 and beyond. I don't have access to surface maps with the euro but GFS shows a wnw-nw flow and a general area of light qpf in the lee of the lakes. Much still up in the air but IF a decent slp wraps up and pulls ne then pieces of energy could easily rotate around with potential for lake enhancement. h5 maps on the gfs show some vorticity rotating around the vortex south of hudson bay but any details like that are useless to look at this far out. Just having the vortex spinning in that location would increase les chances. Lakes are warmer than normal too and that can only help. IMO- if things go down as depicted on either the gfs or euro there will be a good round of les and upslope in vt. NY is tricky though because different areas are favored by different surface flow so you might want to pop into the upstate ny thread and ask some local mets and regulars. They can probably easily answer your question. Thanks Bob....I appreciate your thoughts! I will ask on that board when we get a little closer. Keep me in mind and send me a pm if anything SCREAMS les to you in that 28th - 2nd time frame. Thanks again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Accuwx agrees with my window of opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I escape to your favorite region on the 19th until Feb... looking like good timing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packbacker Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Don't you guys and DT have a love/hate relationship...strong words on facebook page.... http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/38127-december-banter-and-long-range-snow-maps/page__view__findpost__p__1913540 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Don't you guys and DT have a love/hate relationship...strong words on facebook page.... http://www.americanw...ost__p__1913540 strawman. who in their right mind would give someone crap for not forecasting what a model shows at d9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Also isn't a cutter forecast as bad or worse if the storm goes ots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I don't understand why anyone even follows DT. Anyone who brashly disrespects, insults, and is repetitively condescending towards people on a regular basis should live a pretty solitary life. I only know half the story as other long term posters but his behavior towards people is unforgivable imo. I pay little mind to DT and when I do all I want is for him to bust and bust badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Forget a storm d9+, this upcoming Tu/Wed storm has been flopping all over the place with UL energy interactions for the past 48 hrs. It seems although every new run has a solution different solution for track and rainfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattie g Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Euro ensembles are definitely buying the cold pattern. Maybe rain ending as snow next week? Our SNE friends are pants-tenting it today... Congrats to them. They deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 18z gfs is showing a 996lp over hatteras with a 1032hp n of great lakes on the 27th. heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 18z gfs is showing a 996lp over hatteras with a 1032hp n of great lakes on the 27th. heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 The snow and cold can wait....... I've got patience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Yea, it's a little too far in the lr. Did I mention it shows a low forming off the sc coast on the 23? It tracks too far s&e but that's right where we want it. Plenty of time for the nw trend. White christmas incoming. I heard the KFS and Kuro show and even snowier solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I don't understand why anyone even follows DT. Anyone who brashly disrespects, insults, and is repetitively condescending towards people on a regular basis should live a pretty solitary life. I only know half the story as other long term posters but his behavior towards people is unforgivable imo. I pay little mind to DT and when I do all I want is for him to bust and bust badly. I hear he's got a huge following around Richmond and southern VA in general. Calling for certain storms way before anyone else will do that. Also helps that he's bombastic and somewhat hilarious and looks like he can explain what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattie g Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 18z gfs is showing a 996lp over hatteras with a 1032hp n of great lakes on the 27th. heh It'll be a cutter or washed out POS by 0z tomorrow night. You heard it here first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMU2004 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I hear he's got a huge following around Richmond and southern VA in general. Calling for certain storms way before anyone else will do that for him. Also helps that he's bombastic and somewhat hilarious and looks like he can explain what he's talking about. He gets put on local radio down here a lot. He gets a ton of following because our TV mets down here are WILDLY conservative, and he will usually mention a threat days before anyone else around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 If it snows while I'm out of town I might not come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 If it snows while I'm out of town I might not come back. Ha, at least this time homicide isn't part of your plans. It is if note that the last time you mentioned possible action on your part due to the lack of snow, all he'll broke loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 LOL ant SNE inflated Expectations for next week. It's a 1-3 front end thump followed by a rainy disater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 LWX's White Christmas run down: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/white_christmas.php 15% chance for DC, 20% for Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 LWX's White Christmas run down: http://www.erh.noaa....e_christmas.php 15% chance for DC, 20% for Baltimore. Mine's better, and follows the 'rules'. They counted snowcover days 1"+ and any day with xmas accum.. which is fine if that's what they want to do I suppose, but it gives you somewhat high odds.. they are 5% over NCDC. Plus 6 of their years with snow on Christmas were less than 1/2". http://www.washingto...991d6_blog.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Nice read, Ian. Either way you count, White Christmases have become a rarer phenomenon over the last few decades. Given how rare they are in the first place, can't tell if that's just a fluke/cyclical phenomenon/climate change/etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeoman Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I'm grandfathered in. But on a serious note, I like the idea of a colder pattern around Christmas time. I still think we have to wait until 2nd week of Jan for anything good. I hope I'm wrong, but Dec looks like a shut out. I'm fine with that. Damn are we already conceding half of the winter? Just when you thought last year was bad.. at least I seen snow in October already. Nary a flake to be found yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deck Pic Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 around 12/15 is usually the time a delayed start is no longer cute or academic and we start to become irrational and suicidal....I am almost there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 around 12/15 is usually the time a delayed start is no longer cute or academic and we start to become irrational and suicidal....I am almost there... GFS has a snowstorm day 14.....cold im sorry but i lol'ed a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNash Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I know the latest Euro is showing dry, but much colder weather to close out the year; however, can anyone with more knowledge tell me whether the Euro, as depicted, would give the areas in the lake effect snow belts any opportunities in that time frame? Are the 850's cold enough and the flow from the right direction? I am skiing in Western NY in that time frame. Thanks. Bob's totally right about lake temps being warm, but so have surface temps on shore, and this season has sucked hard for LES so far. As a result, things have been pretty quiet in the WNY part of the Upstate forum. Last I checked, the Southtowns snow belt was already 12 inches behind normal snowfall to date. I don't think temps will be a problem for Southern Tier ski country but flow is harder to pin down. For the Chautauqua ridge, strong NW flow, preferably with a Huron/Georgian connection, is what you want. You may want to keep an eye on the comments section at WIVB (Buffalo) met Don Paul's blog. He doesn't add posts often, but he exchanges comments with readers many times a day. Since you have a trip planned, just ask him on his blog what he's seeing in the 2 week out models for ski country. He'll give you a pretty solid answer. Latest entry comments: http://blogs.wivb.com/2012/12/05/no-extended-very-cold-spells-yet-but-not-as-dull-as-some-might-think/#comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Coldest night of the year....radiated nicely down to 20...loved the 0z gfs....hated the euro....sorta dont like the 6z gfs...to me the trend is....probably not...some good runs but mostly poopy ones...i pretty much blame Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 DCA hit 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Coldest night of the year....radiated nicely down to 20...loved the 0z gfs....hated the euro....sorta dont like the 6z gfs...to me the trend is....probably not...some good runs but mostly poopy ones...i pretty much blame Ian He needs to go out of town. 28 this morning and apparently my tires need air because it was cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clueless Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 22 this morning. Looks like 20 was the low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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