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December Obs and Banter


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No expectations here other than trying to enjoy tracking the potential no matter how remote the chances may be. 6z gfs is rain but is colder than 0z was. I assume euro is rain but the track seems positive...bl is the problem of course but 850s are close by at least. On to the next set of model runs for me....my blinders are firmly in place in case Wes decides to make fun of me.....just kidding Wes...trying to have some fun

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Show me where my posts are weenieish. If you show me examples I will acknowledge and reduce posting significantly.

The GFS is a mess folks, surface depictions all over the place, some blob of convection in south GA and a slp heading for the Ohio valley

and a met reply:

Look at the upper levels before making any calls

lolz

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No expectations here other than trying to enjoy tracking the potential no matter how remote the chances may be. 6z gfs is rain but is colder than 0z was. I assume euro is rain but the track seems positive...bl is the problem of course but 850s are close by at least. On to the next set of model runs for me....my blinders are firmly in place in case Wes decides to make fun of me.....just kidding Wes...trying to have some fun

We will see snow before sometime

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I wish you'd just shut up in general and I think I speak for a lot of folks on here, and your minion while you're at it

Let's compare:

Number of times you've been five-posted and suspended, vs. number of times Mapgirl has been five-posted and suspended.

Related, how are your friends down in the Southeast forum?

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He never gives up:

@BigJoeBastardi: Major noreaster next week could cause problems in Sandy Ravaged beaches as well as major interior snow, rain turning to snow coast

In fairness, we will probably all get pulled back into this in subsequent euro and gfs runs....only to get dreams shattered again. What a tough hobby this is..

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We certainly haven't seen the final solution for next weeks storm regardless if it is rain or snow....I'm gonna ride the lets see what the next set of model runs bring us instead of jumping on the "it's too hard" train. If this winter is just one big steaming pile then I'm gonna have a little fun with it vs. always stating the obvious.....but that's just me

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We certainly haven't seen the final solution for next weeks storm regardless if it is rain or snow....I'm gonna ride the lets see what the next set of model runs bring us instead of jumping on the "it's too hard" train. If this winter is just one big steaming pile then I'm gonna have a little fun with it vs. always stating the obvious.....but that's just me

eventually you (general you) have to realize that its only the weather and its gonna do what it wants. getting emotional over it, letting it ruin your life, etc is just silly.

embrace a torch in january if it happens, laugh at 35 and rain and just be thankful you get to wake up every day.

... or wish for snow and a baby at the same time!

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We certainly haven't seen the final solution for next weeks storm regardless if it is rain or snow....I'm gonna ride the lets see what the next set of model runs bring us instead of jumping on the "it's too hard" train. If this winter is just one big steaming pile then I'm gonna have a little fun with it vs. always stating the obvious.....but that's just me

Yeah, at least it's something to follow for all of us. Fingers crossed that we all cash in. I don't think we had much even to wish for last year.

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Since 09-10 it's been more like this:

09-10 was brilliant because for one magical winter the equation became:

1+1 = 2

It usually takes "ununsual" circumstances to get substantial snow around here, but those circumstances aren't THAT unusual, because it does snow here EVERY winter. Even terrible winters like last year. This year is certainly not perfect in the global pattern sense, but we have enough working for us that I feel confident that we'll be shoveling several times. Even if this storm is a rainer, the pattern has potential for at least a week afterwards if the GFS ensembles are to be believed. That's hella better then where we were just a couple days ago, when everyone (myself included) was punting any chances through Christmas at least if not New Year's.

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09-10 was brilliant because for one magical winter the equation became:

1+1 = 2

It usually takes "ununsual" circumstances to get substantial snow around here, but those circumstances aren't THAT unusual, because it does snow here EVERY winter. Even terrible winters like last year. This year is certainly not perfect in the global pattern sense, but we have enough working for us that I feel confident that we'll be shoveling several times. Even if this storm is a rainer, the pattern has potential for at least a week afterwards if the GFS ensembles are to be believed. That's hella better then where we were just a couple days ago, when everyone (myself included) was punting any chances through Christmas at least if not New Year's.

I'm feeling fine this year. Nothing is going to just "take over" and steal winter. At least I personally don't think it will go down that way.

I enjoy the hunt as much as the snow so opportunities make it fun even if the end result isn't what we hoped for. I think that's what was so ugly about last year. There wasn't even much to hunt for weeks on end. Quite unusual just like 09-10 but the other way.

I really like seeing a good bit of guidance pointing towards at or below normal temps in a week and it looks to hold that way. No better time of year to be at or below than late dec because warm xmas weeks are the worst. The old cliche that "we need the cold first and then lets see what happens" can't really be said enough in these parts.

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The old cliche that "we need the cold first and then lets see what happens" can't really be said enough in these parts.

True dat. That's what screwed up the GFS runs last night. The two storms (we really need to name these or something so I can stop typing "the cutter" and "the storm" or "our storm" or "the 18-19th storm"...), "the cutter" and "our storm" are too close together. There's absolutely no time for "the cutter" to pull in any cold air behind it. There's barely 24 hours of seperation, and maybe not even that much. "Our storm" got a lot faster. 6z GFS has it raining by 0z Tuesday. That's bad news. We want "the cutter" to be stronger and "our storm" to be slower. A couple of the GFS ensemble members portray this scenario, and hence give us a snowier solution.

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What isn't lining up in your eyes? It seems ok to me (at least from a physics POV). The coastal is forming in the region of PVA from the vort max and along the natural baroclinicity boundary.

I ran the loops side by side for a bit and it made much more sense. I'm jamming runs together in my mind. On 6z the vort stays open longer so it's not as amped or sharp so the slp is much more broad early on. Then it naturally consolidates off the coast.

After running the loops I realized that the track is a bit N too. Don't need that.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the last "good" run of the GFS yesterdays 12z, and it was the last one to not have a primary that ran west of the Apps before transfering? Seems the runner/transfer scenario makes the whole thing weaker and warmer for our area. Again, correct where needed, as I have only looked briefly, as in a quick peek here and there.

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