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Is it a transfer or does it ride the coast

Up the apps. Maybe starting to transfer by us but not noticeable until it's in NJ.. isobars bend like it's doing something a bit prior though. I'm still not a huge fan of the mean on this one for some reason.

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Are you talking about after Christmas? If so, what are you seeing for Christmas eve? The wunder maps make it look like we have precip with 2m and 850s just above freezing (in my area).

Yes, post-Christmas. Both op and mean of the Euro look too warm south of the MD/PA border for Christmas eve/Christmas am. The mean is warmer than the op.

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Pretty hard to not see the difference between today's 12z run and yesterdays. I also have a hard time seeing a low in northern Ga/northern Al going up the west side of the Apps. I know anything can happen, but is that common?

A true organized low moving across northern Georgia rarely goes up or west of applchns. In fact, it is the "slot" track for significant snow in DC. Models are of no use at this point in trying to identify a snow versus rain track in a 75 mile variability.

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A true organized low moving across northern Georgia rarely goes up or west of applchns. In fact, it is the "slot" track for significant snow in DC. Models are of no use at this point in trying to identify a snow versus rain track in a 75 mile variability.

I tend to agree here with this.. just from a Laymans view once these things are positioned in Northern Georgia the movement is going to have some sort of easterly component. Unless you have a retrograde in low track... If it gets in to the SE... it will probably not track significantly west of the area.

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A true organized low moving across northern Georgia rarely goes up or west of applchns. In fact, it is the "slot" track for significant snow in DC. Models are of no use at this point in trying to identify a snow versus rain track in a 75 mile variability.

If the trough goes negatively tilted over the SE states, as it is in this depiction, it can most certainly take this track.

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If the trough goes negatively tilted over the SE states, as it is in this depiction, it can most certainly take this track.

Yup. Plus most snowstorms don't have +4 850s over DC when the low is entering N Ga. N Ga. might be in the zone of some events but you'd generally want it further south or a different trough setup.

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Yup. Plus most snowstorms don't have +4 850s over DC when the low is entering N Ga. N Ga. might be in the zone of some events but you'd generally want it further south or a different trough setup.

The trough says it goes north and west of us on the euro ens mean and then reforms somewhere north of us. even if it were to come east of the mountains, it would be inland runner with such deep trough. Looks very supportive of the operational euro except the 850 temps are eve a little warmer (I think from eyeballing it).

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The trough says it goes north and west of us on the euro ens mean and then reforms somewhere north of us. even if it were to come east of the mountains, it would be inland runner with such deep trough. Looks very supportive of the operational euro except the 850 temps are eve a little warmer (I think from eyeballing it).

The 12z ECMWF ensembles are pretty bad if you want accumulating snowfall in the I-95 corridor. It is as simple as that; although, it doesn't mean they're right.

If we had a deeper cold source, this would easily be a winter storm, or all snow event, and the subtleties of the "50-50 low and blocking" wouldn't be nearly as important (unless you are north of the snow/no snow line).

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The 12z ECMWF ensembles are pretty bad if you want accumulating snowfall in the I-95 corridor. It is as simple as that; although, it doesn't mean they're right.

If we had a deeper cold source, this would easily be a winter storm, or all snow event, and the subtleties of the "50-50 low and blocking" wouldn't be nearly as important (unless you are north of the snow/no snow line).

I'm not expecting much from this but would lvoe to be surprised. I'm hoping it will set the stage for something farther down the road as we discussed earlier.

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I'm not expecting much from this but would lvoe to be surprised. I'm hoping it will set the stage for something farther down the road as we discussed earlier.

Let's hope this storm continues to carve out lower heights in SE Canada / NW Atlantic into January; so that when real Arctic Air arrives, we will be able to get an all snow event.

The question is: when does the PNA actually go up in early January, if at all? If the forcing gets stuck in the La Nina regions, the PNA may stay negative through the first half of January, possibly changing mid-month.

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