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I'm sure that has more to do with the lack of storms and last winter. Why waste their time if they know there is nothing to really post about? Just my opinion. A lot of the red taggers do post but many have moved to different areas.

Last winter and this winter so far have sucked, at least for my area. The lack of posts from mets lately doesn't give me a good feeling about the rest of winter, either.

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Who exactly has it driven off?

They will come back at the first reasonable chance of a winter storm. Problem with th SE board in the winter is we go through lengthy stretches of boring weather, there isn't a whole lot to say. If we didn't look at 10 day patterns and weenie out at a favorable run this entire board would be nothing but banter, that may be what drove people off. If you read the other region forums they have much more leeway on there posts, we are by far the strictest IMO.

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I am surprised no one has mentioned what I feel is the biggest reason that this forum isn't what it once was. When Robert started his pay site and virtually withdrew from this forum it started a domino effect. His strong analysis of Southeast weather was a prime reason other mets posted in this forum and resulted in a lot of excellent and detailed discussions. That no longer occurs and I don't see anyone comparable on the horizon.

The other reason is something that has always been the case but was somewhat obscured by the excellent discussions I mentioned above. That is the fact that we can look at a 10 day map that shows some snow and all of a sudden there is a new thread about the "threat" of a winter storm many days out. Most of it is hogwash but that's not the real problem. What makes the forum more unprofessional is the mass jumping onto anyone who dares to say the threat is not real. The cliff jumper label comes out in an effort to stifle any negative discussion. It's as is some feel that anyone who does not agree will somehow jinx their preferred outcome. I find it interesting that the same folks that post the most 10 day models, and God forbid snow cover maps, are also the leading posters of cliff jumping images.

Personally, despite the numerous threads to the contrary, I have not felt at any time so far this winter that I had any reasonable chance of snow. I haven't posted much if anything stating that because I don't wish to engage in the back and forth that would result. At this point I still dont see anything out there that raises my level of interest. I hope that changes but I wouldn't bet my lunch money.

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Most people *most* are not going to leave a board because there is too much wishcasting or weenie posting or whatever. Besides, in the important threads, the mods do a good job in keeping those mostly clean. I think the more likely reasons that some mets and old timers might not be posting are:

1) Blogs, Twitter, Facebook, other forums, etc. are more prevalent now than they were several years ago and time is being split between those outlets and this board.

2) There is NOTHING going on right now.

3) Some people like to be a big fish in a little pond. The SE forum has become a big pond with a lot of fish. It's now a bit harder to feel as important as you may have used to.

4) Personal attacks against someone might drive them away.

5) There is NOTHING going on right now.

My feeling about posting is, if you have a relevant and meaningful comment to make in a discussion thread, you should feel free and be allowed to make it, met or not. Whining about your lack of snow is fine too but should be relegated to the Banter thread.

This is a weather board and we are all here, every one of us, because we all have at least one awesome thing in common: we love the weather! We ought to make each other welcomed and encourage discussion and share knowledge and help each other learn. But it should also be important to each of us to take responsibility for what we say, how we say it, when we say it, and where we say it.

This stuff should be fun, and it really isn't hard to figure out how to participate in a weather forum and still maintain a great environment for anyone, met or not, to feel encouraged to post and add their thoughts.

PS: I'm sure Americanwx isn't going to ban you for mentioning the name of another forum. We mostly know them all anyway.

The End.

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I am surprised no one has mentioned what I feel is the biggest reason that this forum isn't what it once was. When Robert started his pay site and virtually withdrew from this forum it started a domino effect. His strong analysis of Southeast weather was a prime reason other mets posted in this forum and resulted in a lot of excellent and detailed discussions. That no longer occurs and I don't see anyone comparable on the horizon.

The other reason is something that has always been the case but was somewhat obscured by the excellent discussions I mentioned above. That is the fact that we can look at a 10 day map that shows some snow and all of a sudden there is a new thread about the "threat" of a winter storm many days out. Most of it is hogwash but that's not the real problem. What makes the forum more unprofessional is the mass jumping onto anyone who dares to say the threat is not real. The cliff jumper label comes out in an effort to stifle any negative discussion. It's as is some feel that anyone who does not agree will somehow jinx their preferred outcome. I find it interesting that the same folks that post the most 10 day models, and God forbid snow cover maps, are also the leading posters of cliff jumping images.

Personally, despite the numerous threads to the contrary, I have not felt at any time so far this winter that I had any reasonable chance of snow. I haven't posted much if anything stating that because I don't wish to engage in the back and forth that would result. At this point I still dont see anything out there that raises my level of interest. I hope that changes but I wouldn't bet my lunch money.

Good post J!

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One more thing I wanted to add....

I don't have any problem discussing threats that might appear out in time. Speculating is fun and besides, if we waited until a threat was imminent, there would be very little activity going on. Some might like that, and that's a fine viewpoint. I just don't share it. I think it's a lot more fun to talk about what might be possible than to not talk about anything at all.

If someone doesn't want to participate, then they don't have to. And they shouldn't be made to feel bad for it and they shouldn't be labled as a cliff-diver for it.

By the way, on the whole cliff diver thing, if you don't agree with a 10 day snowstorm panning out, that's not cliff diving. But all the "Winter is Over in November and December" crap is stupid and that's what I would call cliff diving.

So far this year, we've done a good job in this forum about not starting threads about specific 10 day threats. I agree with Burns that if you point out legitimate reasons that a potential system is not going to work out, you shouldn't be attacked for that....again, that goes back to knowing how to appropriately engage with others. And if you can't figure that out, you should not post.

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