phlwx Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yeah and it seems like no matter what we do as an agency, it is not good enough and someone has to complain. I have noticed an uptick with this, and it became more notable after Sandy. People are entitled to their opinions, however when they do not know the entire reasoning behind decisions then go public with criticisms, then that is not right. I think there can be constructive critiques that aren't "rips"...I've seen level headed ppl say the NWS did a great job on forecasting but the warning process needs work. Hopefully you're not considering that type of commentary complaining... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 Mike if you step away from this board we will all be poorer for it. I don't understand why anyone here is critical of anyone's forecast. Although I subscribe to WeatherBell I for one do not appreciate it when JB slams the NWS and have sent him messages to that effect! However, having posters here take shots as we continually see at JB/DT/SD etc. is equally un-called for as two wrongs do not make a right. All forecasts should be welcome here - again if you don't like a WeatherBell or WxRisk or NJ PA Forecast then read past it - if you disagree and have a science based reasoning please share with us and /or make your own forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwarder Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yeah and it seems like no matter what we do as an agency, it is not good enough and someone has to complain. I have noticed an uptick with this, and it became more notable after Sandy. People are entitled to their opinions, however when they do not know the entire reasoning behind decisions then go public with criticisms, then that is not right. Thats the way of the humans and the world. You cannot please everyone. My two cents is to stop worrying what other people think and just do what you do and move forward. You have nothing to feel guilty for. Those that waste money on JB can get that kind of excitement by watching reality TV. I know most of you feel that the models that have come along way but the reality is, meteorology is not an accurate science .Who needs 10 different private sectors opinions? So they can say they were right on Storm A? Well odds say on Storm B they will be wrong. The most important thing is to take something from every forecast. You can never stop learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think there can be constructive critiques that aren't "rips"...I've seen level headed ppl say the NWS did a great job on forecasting but the warning process needs work. Hopefully you're not considering that type of commentary complaining... Nope that type of commentary is not what I was completely getting at, however the whole thing with the 'warning process needs work' is not just an NWS thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 I am a JB defender but do not take shots at the NWS or any weather forecast - so I hope you are not putting all of us JB "defenders" in the same boat - that again would be less than fair don't you think? Mike, don't let the JB defenders drive you away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Paul, you're cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 You make a post like this to basically defend JB, but apparently it is okay for JB to publicly bash the NWS multiple times. He has done this for years! Crap like this nearly helps me make a final decision to step away from this board!!! Seriously Mike? Dang that would suck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Seriously Mike? Dang that would suck... Yes, I am serious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 Right back at you Adam - thanks! Paul, you're cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 See this is where having a MET professional use his knowledge and forecasting skills (which a weenie such as I do not possess) and tell us why his (JB/DT/SD etc,) meteorology is wrong and move on - JB may usually be wrong but he does supply his scientific reasoning - if you dispute it then this is the forum to tell us why he is wrong and make your own forecast - right? Thanks! Eff that. Why should I have to waste my time debunking crap forecasts? My time is better focused on making my stuff as accurate as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Mike, you're a great asset to this board and your profession. Don't let a couple ugly weenies being ya down brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I am a JB defender but do not take shots at the NWS or any weather forecast - so I hope you are not putting all of us JB "defenders" in the same boat - that again would be less than fair don't you think? You're reasonable and don't do that...there are some who still think he walks on water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherQ Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 You make a post like this to basically defend JB, but apparently it is okay for JB to publicly bash the NWS multiple times. He has done this for years! Crap like this nearly helps me make a final decision to step away from this board!!! C'mon Mike, you are a top shelf Met...don't let a naysayer push you away. I think a majority of us really value your expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherQ Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yeah and it seems like no matter what we do as an agency, it is not good enough and someone has to complain. I have noticed an uptick with this, and it became more notable after Sandy. People are entitled to their opinions, however when they do not know the entire reasoning behind decisions then go public with criticisms, then that is not right. As an attorney, who relies on laws that are codified or written by judges to give opinions, I can only imagine the difficulty faced by professional METs like you, who have to deal with the uncertanties of weather, the laws and anomolies of atmospheric physics and a public that demands precision. But, when the lawyer needs a bit of weather info for a matter, we get an official NOAA-NWS event report. And there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg ralls Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Please don't go, Mike. Most of us love your input and the jerks who don't should be banned or 5-posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yeah and it seems like no matter what we do as an agency, it is not good enough and someone has to complain. I have noticed an uptick with this, and it became more notable after Sandy. People are entitled to their opinions, however when they do not know the entire reasoning behind decisions then go public with criticisms, then that is not right. Mike, Take a couple of weeks off and clear your head, you'll feel better. I didn't want to vote on this, but I think overall this division will keep it easier to not trip into a thread derailment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazwoper Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I used to enjoying reading JB, but after spending much time on this board and learning much from Mike, Tony, Ray and the other NWS mets that post on here, I can honestly say I am better off not reading his posts. His bashing of the NWS is terrible. Sure, his enthusiasm for extreme weather gets me excited, but in the long run, I have learned far more just reading the posts from the NWS and other mets on this forum. Mike, don't go anywhere. Those on this board who appreciate what you and the others at NWS do far outweigh those that do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dssbss Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Don't go Gorse...we love your insight! JB is who he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Man Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 You make a post like this to basically defend JB, but apparently it is okay for JB to publicly bash the NWS multiple times. He has done this for years! Crap like this nearly helps me make a final decision to step away from this board!!! Mike - You took my post of context. I haven't bashed anyone's forecast. I was just calling for the JB bashing in general to stop as it was getting old. I just want to read about the current forecast ideas and not post after post about JB which is why I started out asking Paul not to keep posting his forecasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Mike - You took my post of context. I haven't bashed anyone's forecast. I was just calling for the JB bashing in general to stop as it was getting old. I just want to read about the current forecast ideas and not post after post about JB which is why I started out asking Paul not to keep posting his forecasts. That's some real revisionist history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Mike - You took my post of context. I haven't bashed anyone's forecast. I was just calling for the JB bashing in general to stop as it was getting old. I just want to read about the current forecast ideas and not post after post about JB which is why I started out asking Paul not to keep posting his forecasts. This post isn't bashing anyone, really? Come on now, we're not stupid. I think you guys should knock it off. You want me to start posting about how terrible th NWS forecasts are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Mike, don't let the JB defenders drive you away... Mike, I very much hope that you will stay at AmWx. You add tremendous value to the discussions. It's a real privilege to be able to read insights from Tony and you. Have a great Holiday Season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 This post isn't bashing anyone, really? Come on now, we're not stupid. To be honest, when I saw him post, I thought he might be Garrett or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Right back at you Adam - thanks! Yeah, man, you obviously defend JB but also show you can do that and not bash the NWS. Also....people like Mike have a lot of value and have a lot of supporters. Note people came to your defense, Mgorse. Hopefully that can be kept in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman56 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Please don't go, Mike. Most of us love your input and the jerks who don't should be banned or 5-posted. Strongly agree. Mike's a top shelf asset to this forum. I subscribe to WB but do so not simply because of JB, but the insight of class acts like Joe D. and the expanding model offerings. I've followed JB enough years to take him with a major grain of salt. Most of the hammering of others he does is confined to the NHC and the way they categorize/name storms, which gets real old, real quick. Occasionally he'll mention that point & click forecasts will have to play catch up due to their reliance on model output, but I don't recall hearing him bash the NWS since he left AW. IMO anyone that criiticizes another's forecast on this forum violates a golden rule of the profession and should be immediately shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 To be honest, when I saw him post, I thought he might be Garrett or something. I'm pretty sure he is not Garrett. I remember the name and location from Eastern days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 but I don't recall hearing him bash the NWS since he left AW. (read all five in order from top to bottom) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricaneschwartz Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 isn't it interesting that NONE of the mets on this board defend JB (as far as I know). The more you know about meteorology, the less you respect him. It's sad that he's become such a big name in the business. I'm not jealous of his celebrity status-I'm embarrassed that parts of the media continue to use him because he is the loudest and most opinionated voice in the room. Mike: don't let the petty stuff get to you too much. I, too, was very frustrated when working for NWS, since we would get slammed and not be able to respond. It's not fair. But at least you have a forum here to respond-I never had that opportunity. Keep it up-we need voices like yours! Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcutter Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 isn't it interesting that NONE of the mets on this board defend JB (as far as I know). The more you know about meteorology, the less you respect him. It's sad that he's become such a big name in the business. I'm not jealous of his celebrity status-I'm embarrassed that parts of the media continue to use him because he is the loudest and most opinionated voice in the room. Mike: don't let the petty stuff get to you too much. I, too, was very frustrated when working for NWS, since we would get slammed and not be able to respond. It's not fair. But at least you have a forum here to respond-I never had that opportunity. Keep it up-we need voices like yours! Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman56 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 https://twitter.com/...952098110611457 https://twitter.com/...952970710388736 https://twitter.com/...956251616632832 https://twitter.com/...956524414169089 https://twitter.com/...956854434586624 (read all five in order from top to bottom) Well, I was speaking about WB, I don't follow Twitter. Yeah, that's part of the AGW vendetta he's always on that gets old as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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