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PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD

849 AM EST SAT DEC 08 2012

VALID 12Z WED DEC 12 2012 - 12Z SAT DEC 15 2012

USED THE 00Z/08 ECMWF TO UPDATE THE PRELIMINARY FRONTS AND

PRESSURES FOR DAYS 3 THROUGH 7. THE LATEST GLOBAL NUMERICAL MODELS

ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT, WITH THE ECMWF SHOWING MORE RUN-TO-RUN

CONTINUITY THAN THE GFS, GEM GLOBAL, AND UKMET. THE PATTERN WILL

CHANGE THIS PERIOD, WITH A TROUGH DIGGING DOWN THE PACIFIC COAST,

AND A SOUTHEAST RIDGE POPPING UP. THE SPLIT IN THE FLOW OVER THE

WEST WILL SEND A BRANCH OF FLOW ACROSS THE GREAT PLAINS AND INTO

THE GREAT LAKES AND SAINT LAWRENCE VALLEY, WITH WINTRY

PRECIPITATION INDICATED NORTH OF THE POLAR FRONT.

CISCO

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12z ECMWF is almost trying for a December severe weather outbreak in the southern Plains next Friday (~hr156)

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Yeah, I think I've seen that setup before...only in May not December....

GFS also kind of likes that idea, when was the last time we had that?

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12z ECMWF is almost trying for a December severe weather outbreak in the southern Plains next Friday (~hr156)

It's definitely weird to see a stronger low with 850mb temps above freezing (ECMWF 6-day, Saturday). You may be on to something with severe weather potential. GFS shows a much flatter positive tilt system.

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keep in mind i am very new at reading these models trying to learn all i can so correct me if i'm wrong, but does this look like a potential snow event in arkansas, missouri, etc? i dont know, i know you're supposed to look for deep troughs like that and...it looks pretty deep. and all the isobars close together - does that mean it's a stronger low pressure system?

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DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0354 AM CST MON DEC 10 2012

VALID 131200Z - 181200Z

...DISCUSSION...

MEDIUM RANGE FORECAST GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO INDICATE STRONG UPPER

JET INTENSIFICATION ACROSS MUCH OF THE CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN TIER OF

THE U.S...WITH ANOTHER STRONG MID LATITUDE JET NOSING INLAND ACROSS

THE PACIFIC COAST DURING THIS FORECAST PERIOD. THIS WILL

UNDOUBTEDLY LEAD TO AN INCREASINGLY ACTIVE PATTERN...WITH EMBEDDED

SHORT WAVE IMPULSES SUPPORTING POTENTIAL FOR PERIODIC SIGNIFICANT

SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS FROM THE LEE OF THE CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN

ROCKIES EASTWARD TO THE ATLANTIC SEABOARD...WHICH PROBABLY WILL

BECOME SUPPORTIVE OF AT LEAST BOUTS OF STRONG/SEVERE STORM

DEVELOPMENT LATE THIS WEEK INTO NEXT WEEK.

THE INITIATION OF STRONG SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS APPEARS POSSIBLE AS

EARLY AS THIS COMING FRIDAY ACROSS PARTS OF THE CENTRAL/SOUTHERN

PLAINS...AS THE SHORT WAVE IMPULSE...NOW BEGINNING TO DIG TOWARD THE

PACIFIC COAST...FINALLY ACCELERATES INLAND. BASED ON THE 10/00Z

ECMWF AND GFS...SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL APPEARS GREATEST FROM PARTS

OF WEST CENTRAL TX THROUGH NORTHERN TEXAS AND SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA LATE

FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING...EASTWARD ACROSS ARKANSAS

OVERNIGHT...AND PARTS OF WESTERN AND MIDDLE TENNESSEE/NORTHERN

MISSISSIPPI AND NORTHERN ALABAMA SATURDAY. HOWEVER...THE SPREAD

AMONG THE MODEL ENSEMBLE FORECASTS HAS BEEN AND REMAINS SIZABLE

CONCERNING THIS SHORT WAVE FEATURE. ADDITIONALLY...WHILE IT DOES

APPEAR POSSIBLE THAT A SUBSTANTIVE RETURN FLOW OF MOISTURE COULD

DEVELOP OFF THE WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO AS THE SYSTEM

DEVELOPS...JUXTAPOSITION OF THE MORE FAVORABLE FORCING FOR UPWARD

VERTICAL MOTION AND BOUNDARY LAYER DESTABILIZATION IS FAR FROM

CERTAIN. PREDICTABILITY REMAINS TOO LOW TO CONFIDENTLY ASCERTAIN

THE POTENTIAL FOR A REGIONAL SEVERE WEATHER EVENT...AND GRAPHICALLY

DELINEATE AN AREA.

THEREAFTER...THE SPREAD AMONG THE VARIOUS MODELS AND MODEL ENSEMBLES

INCREASES FURTHER WITH SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENTS.

..KERR.. 12/10/2012

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PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD

354 AM EST TUE DEC 11 2012

VALID 12Z SAT DEC 15 2012 - 12Z TUE DEC 18 2012

THE MEDIUM RANGE PLAYERS APPEAR TO BE CENTRAL NORTH PACIFIC

RIDGING COMBINED WITH DEVELOPING RIDGING OVER HUDSON BAY... WHICH

OFFER POSITIVE FEEDBACK BETWEEN EACH OTHER. THESE CENTERS

TELECONNECT TO TROUGHING THROUGH THE WEST AND INTO THE CENTRAL

PLAINS WITH INTERMITTENT WEAKER RIDGING/TROUGHING OVER THE EAST.

THE MODELS AND ENSEMBLES CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH THE

SPEED/AMPLITUDE OF MID-LEVEL ENERGY STREAMING ACROSS THE PACIFIC

OVER THE NEXT WEEK BUT HAVE MANAGED TO MAINTAIN BROAD CONTINUITY

WITH THE LATEST 00Z RUNS. THE GFS/GEFS MEAN ARE STILL A BIT

QUICKER THAN THE ECMWF/12Z ECWMF ENSEMBLE MEAN... AS CAN BE

TYPICAL. WHILE THE TREND FOR THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS HAS BEEN

QUICKER RATHER THAN SLOWER... THE INCREASED BLOCKING OVER HUDSON

BAY MAY ACT TO SLOW THE PROGRESSION OF SYSTEMS THROUGH THE

SOUTHERN CONUS BY EARLY NEXT WEEK. UNTIL THEN... RELIED ON THE

ECMWF/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN GIVEN ITS BETTER FIT TO CONTINUITY

ESPECIALLY IN THE WEST. BY NEXT WEEK... SOUTHERN STREAM ENERGY

SHOULD EJECT OUT OF THE SOUTHERN ROCKIES AND THROUGH THE PLAINS

INTO THE LOWER MS VALLEY... BUT THE GUIDANCE DIVERGES BY SEVERAL

HUNDRED MILES. MEAN CENTROID POSITION BY TUE/D7 OF THIS POTENTIAL

SYSTEM IS AROUND THE 12Z/10 ECMWF RATHER THAN THE VERY SOUTHERLY

00Z/11 ECMWF. A MODEST WEIGHTING OF THE 12Z/10 ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN

WAS USED THROUGHOUT THE FORECAST AS A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO

MOST RECENT ECMWF RUNS.

FRACASSO

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0355 AM CST TUE DEC 11 2012

VALID 141200Z - 191200Z

...DISCUSSION...

ALTHOUGH MODEST SPREAD PERSISTS AMONG THE VARIOUS MODEL ENSEMBLE

DATA...CONFIDENCE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND TRACK OF A SIGNIFICANT

SURFACE CYCLONE ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS TOWARD THE GREAT LAKES

REGION THIS COMING FRIDAY/SATURDAY IS FAIRLY HIGH. HOWEVER...AT

LEAST IN PART DUE TO SIGNIFICANT GULF MOISTURE ONLY BEING IN THE

PROCESS OF RETURNING AS THE SYSTEM EVOLVES... JUXTAPOSITION OF THE

MORE FAVORABLE FORCING FOR UPWARD VERTICAL MOTION AND WARM SECTOR

BOUNDARY LAYER DESTABILIZATION REMAINS FAR FROM CERTAIN. EVEN

SO...THE RISK FOR SEVERE STORMS MAY NOT BE OUT OF THE

QUESTION...PARTICULARLY IN A CORRIDOR FROM WEST CENTRAL THROUGH

NORTHERN TEXAS AND PARTS OF SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA LATE FRIDAY...THROUGH

ARKANSAS/NORTHERN MISSISSIPPI/NORTHERN ALABAMA AND WESTERN MIDDLE

TENNESSEE BY LATE SATURDAY. HOWEVER...THE MAIN IMPACT OF THIS WAVE

MAY BE TO HELP ESTABLISH SUFFICIENT MOISTENING...ACROSS THE

WESTERN/NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO AND GULF COAST REGION...TO

CONTRIBUTE TO A MORE SIGNIFICANT SEVERE THREAT WITH THE NEXT

VIGOROUS SHORT WAVE IMPULSE...WHICH MAY SUPPORT STRONG SURFACE

CYCLOGENESIS ACROSS THE SOUTH CENTRAL U.S. NEXT MONDAY/TUESDAY. THE

SPREAD AMONG THE MEDIUM RANGE MODELS AND ENSEMBLE DATA...THOUGH...IS

STILL MUCH TOO LARGE TO CONFIDENTLY ASCERTAIN THE POTENTIAL FOR A

REGION SEVERE WEATHER EVENT...AND GRAPHICALLY DELINEATE AN AREA.

..KERR.. 12/11/2012

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After looking at the front range blizzard analogs and their upper level maps, it seems to me that this 12/19-20 wave may be too progressive and fast moving (no closed low on the GFS) for a significant hit in CO. However, it explodes once it reaches the midwest/great lakes region...

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This is fun. Happy white Christmas to all you Front Range folks. The 216hour ECMWF valid on Christmas Day shows a 12-18 inch type storm. I'd give 100 bucks to see this, but I probably won't be here.

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If it weren't smack dab in the middle of the holidays, I would be considering a chase up there. Maybe next time!

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