OceanStWx Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Fast and Furious run of snow. That's the only thing people care about or will remember. Too true, Will just inadvertently told weenies that BOS is in store for 20" between the 10th and 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I'm going to be jealous mid-December watching you guys track these potentials. I'm looking forward to my mix to rain. lol I wonder what the Jan 1977 event did for the MA? That was a HUGE event for Boston and surrounding areas. It was a wave of lp that never got below 1000 or 998mb ...somewhere in there, but it came up with GIANT PWAT hoist from the deep SE and lapped it over marginal airmass and sufficient UVM to tap into quite the polarward displaced theta-e anomaly. Man did it snow and snow hard. It wasn't exactly calm, either. There was +PP NW of Maine to some degree - though no where near the extreme of 2 weeks later on Feb 6, but some nonetheless. Blowing and drifting took place to some degree with S+ and S++ through the city of Boston and surround burbs. I wonder if it thundered in that? Hm.. anyway, that system is so eclipsed by the Cleveland Super Bomb of Jan 25-28th, and then the infamous February 5-7th event, that it is easily forgotten, but that system set a 24-hour snow total record at Logan, which was interestingly broken 2 weeks later by the Feb 5-7th event. I've seen video of that Jan 1977 preceding event though and that was dramatic near white-out conditions. But again I'm not sure what that did around your neck of the woods... my guess would be a lot of cold rain, but maybe Will would know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Skier did do some work correlating how a vortex being displaced into Greenland can eventually lead to a -NAO as we head into January. I know NJwinter mentioned this yesterday. Well that may be indirectly related while something else is possibly forcing it there from the other side of the NH. Then of course last year the vortex was pushed to Greenland with a SSW and it meant nothing in terms of the NAO (but the AO was in the tank). Solar forecasts say general smooth peak 12/16-12/17 so that will give a slight positive tendency to the annular modes and La Niña-like GLAAM. The exact way the sun affects things is of course in theory so I wouldn't get to bent out of shape over it. Also, forecasting techniques are in the dark ages in terms of the sun, especially when compared with our own atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If we can cash in during a period of gradient type patterns and SWFEs...it usually happens very quickly with several events in just a few days time. Looking back at the Dec '08 and '07 patterns, BOS had 25.4" of their monthly 27.7" of snow in 3 different events in 8 days in Dec '07. They had 17.3" out of their 25.3" monthly snow in Dec 2008 in a span of 5 days over 3 events. In December 1975, they had 19.3" over 8 days and 3 events for all fo their monthly snow. i'd rather get those amounts from one storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Today is a classic Walt Drag "cold tuck" type setup. Where BOS is colder than Mt. Tolland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 i'd rather get those amounts from one storm Yeah well its not a KU setup when we have a gradient pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 It's 33.5F here with a similar sky condition. Cold and grey with typical November gloom. Yeah Sw ct is so different from rest of state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I wonder what the Jan 1977 event did for the MA? That was a HUGE event for Boston and surrounding areas. It was a wave of lp that never got below 1000 or 998mb ...somewhere in there, but it came up with GIANT PWAT hoist from the deep SE and lapped it over marginal airmass and sufficient UVM to tap into quite the polarward displaced theta-e anomaly. Man did it snow and snow hard. It wasn't exactly calm, either. There was +PP NW of Maine to some degree - though no where near the extreme of 2 weeks later on Feb 6, but some nonetheless. Blowing and drifting took place to some degree with S+ and S++ through the city of Boston and surround burbs. I wonder if it thundered in that? Hm.. anyway, that system is so eclipsed by the Cleveland Super Bomb of Jan 25-28th, and then the infamous February 5-7th event, that it is easily forgotten, but that system set a 24-hour snow total record at Logan, which was interestingly broken 2 weeks later by the Feb 5-7th event. I've seen video of that Jan 1977 preceding event though and that was dramatic near white-out conditions. But again I'm not sure what that did around your neck of the woods... my guess would be a lot of cold rain, but maybe Will would know. You are mixing up Jan '77 and Jan '78? Jan '77 had two large snow events for SNE that gave rain to the M.A. in one, and the other I believe was mostly a whiff for them as a late blooming Miller B. Jan '78 storm actually gave big snow both to Philly and NYC...it was a busted forecast calling for rain there, but they got front end dumped. They didn't get the 21.4" of snow that BOS got in the Jan '78 storm but I believe it was around a foot before dryslot and a change to light rain before ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Today is a classic Walt Drag "cold tuck" type setup. Where BOS is colder than Mt. Tolland. But who will get more snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 Well that may be indirectly related while something else is possibly forcing it there from the other side of the NH. Then of course last year the vortex was pushed to Greenland with a SSW and it meant nothing in terms of the NAO (but the AO was in the tank). Solar forecasts say general smooth peak 12/16-12/17 so that will give a slight positive tendency to the annular modes and La Niña-like GLAAM. The exact way the sun affects things is of course in theory so I wouldn't get to bent out of shape over it. Also, forecasting techniques are in the dark ages in terms of the sun, especially when compared with our own atmosphere. Yeah it wasn't 100% or anything, just some interesting work he had done. You probably remember that, it was back in October I believe in the winter thread. As you noted, there is some nice stuff going on upstairs that could lead to fun times down the road. The EC ensembles through day15 bring warm anomalies at both 50mb and 10mb over the pole with a wave 1 look at 50mb, and a wave 2 look at 10mb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 I love cold tuck days. The joke that Will and I have is how ORH loves to pull these NE winds on days like this with BOS always NNW. There are a couple of reasons..but it's just weenie humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 BOS obs at noon 32/5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah it wasn't 100% or anything, just some interesting work he had done. You probably remember that, it was back in October I believe in the winter thread. As you noted, there is some nice stuff going on upstairs that could lead to fun times down the road. The EC ensembles through day15 bring warm anomalies at both 50mb and 10mb over the pole with a wave 1 look at 50mb, and a wave 2 look at 10mb. Pretty cool how that frequency upwelled huh ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You are mixing up Jan '77 and Jan '78? Jan '77 had two large snow events for SNE that gave rain to the M.A. in one, and the other I believe was mostly a whiff for them as a late blooming Miller B. Jan '78 storm actually gave big snow both to Philly and NYC...it was a busted forecast calling for rain there, but they got front end dumped. They didn't get the 21.4" of snow that BOS got in the Jan '78 storm but I believe it was around a foot before dryslot and a change to light rain before ending. Yeah, that was a type-o ... I meant Jan '78... everything that year was in 1978, but I had it in the back of my mind that it was the winter of 1977-1978 so I typed that wrong. d'oh. Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 BOS obs at noon 32/5 The cool part is....that was their ob at 11am. The cold tuck CAA is always so efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Wow 47 is probably what we get to on our torch days Monday/Tuesday up here. (Well, Tuesday may be 50-53) A refreshing 20.3F/3 at 11:30am up in the great state of NH. It's a little cold. 11F here. Ugh lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 In house RPM at channel 30 has 1-2 inches overnite into tomorrow in CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 The cool part is....that was their ob at 11am. The cold tuck CAA is always so efficient. yep....love getting the NNE drainage. one of the best for C and E parts of MA. usually creates some interesting weather too. if this airmass was a touch thicker it would probably be snowing lightly along the coast too...perhaps into interior MA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 Just went out to grab lunch, man it has that winter feel out there..here in Andover. January like feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 11F here. Ugh lol 30-35F colder then your house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 30-35F colder then your house Yeah unreal. Sharp temp gradient across SNE. even NNE actually. 13F here now, 18F 40 miles south, 21F 75miles south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 11F here. Ugh lol Brutal. 24/-1 down here with some BKN skies. We didn't get much snow, but at least it looks white again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Brutal. 24/-1 down here with some BKN skies. We didn't get much snow, but at least it looks white again. was driving home from Logan at 1am in that snow. Just flurries up to about exit 16, then a heavier shower and partially covered roads into Boscawen, then fully covered roads up the hill towards Salisbury. Would be nice to get a little bit tonight and tomorrow just to feel like winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah unreal. Sharp temp gradient across SNE. even NNE actually. 13F here now, 18F 40 miles south, 21F 75miles south. Yeah. The coldest of the cold stayed entrenched NW of the Greens and Whites. The snow cover really helps too. Your albedo must be .95 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 43 at BDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah. The coldest of the cold stayed entrenched NW of the Greens and Whites. The snow cover really helps too. Your albedo must be .95 right now. Haha I know right? It's definitely as close to 1 as possible right now. Sunglasses definitely needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 43 at BDR. that's too bad..even 39F at ACK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 43 at BDR. 45 at HVN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 43 at BDR. 3 days from now a reading like that will seem bitterly cold. 45 IMBY-cold never really got here...doubt we'll see much in the way of precip down here either?Radar shows a stripe of precip, but it's already to our north and heading ENE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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