snywx Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Ringwood and West Milford rarely have the same snow totals - although neighboring towns , the elevation difference is dramatic and the cutoff is always extreme. I know it seems suspicious but trust me on this one. My buddy did have 5.5 up the mountain which is about 15 miles northwest of me in same town so maybe NWS observer is up the mountain. West Milford definitely snow spot. East enough to get in heavier precip in nor'easters and elevated This is pretty much the reason behind their consistent jackpots.. Same reason why you will see areas like Monroe/Harriman/Highland Mills ( Orange County) jackpot consistently as well. All these areas ( including West Milford) line up nicely from N to S and all have significant elevation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I do believe they could of had 5-6 yesterday because they had a heavy band early in the morning that have then that extra inch. But Plenty of surround towns have equal elevation as west Milford , kinnelon, Jefferson , Vernon . If u are talking upper greenwood lake than they should be comparable to highland lakes . No doubt the higher spots do well in elevation storms but come on the same town is not always going be the jackpot for every storm. They should give the elevation of this PNs report . West Milford is a big town, and this report wasn't called in by the guy I know Who lives at 1100 ft. What time did u measure your snow by the way? Yours seems low actually. If u measures after 3 it's most likely to low because it really started to compact and melt by than and u were probably closer to 4. If the elevation is given to us with the snowfall report, we try our best to include that in the PNS's. At least my office does. If not reported, we do not guess since we do not know exactly where the measurement was taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That's nuts. I was in Bogota today (a whole 2 miles to your west and lower in elevation) and there was a solid inch on most surfaces at one point. What time of the day was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Thank you - always interesting to see the dramatic dropoffs when I get on route 23 and drive a few miles down the road to Kinelon, Butler, etc. durng the winter. lol, just saw this, on those few elevation dependent storms yes of course there will be difference. there is a difference in my own town which is very noticeable on those type of storms. Those type of storms are few and far between in reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If the elevation is given to us with the snowfall report, we try our best to include that in the PNS's. At least my office does. If not reported, we do not guess since we do not know exactly where the measurement was taken. yes thats what i meant. sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Makes the 6" on the PNS out of West Milford look slightly questionable.... Sorry for starting all he controversy...I did not realize how many square miles W. Milford encompassed or how varied its altitude was. I haven't been there since the 1970's when I went for a visit to the now defunct Jungle Habitat. Two inches versus six inches in the same town just seemed to raise a red flag, and although I know that town has excellent elevation, I did not know that it varied by quite so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 In all fairness I think the west Milford highlander posters totals are to low (2 inch amount)and most likely measured way after the accumulating snow stopped. I know a bunch of people in west Milford and a few did have 5+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Im late too the party, but I finished with .5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masomenos Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 What time of the day was that? Around 1 or so when the snow quality started going downhill. Still snow in the shady spots when I was down there in the afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 2.5" from this event. 8.5" on the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I'm not gonna do a map for this storm (didn't make the cut-off)... Here's Mt. Holly's: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Around 1 or so when the snow quality started going downhill. Still snow in the shady spots when I was down there in the afternoon. There was definitely mixing and some snow around that time, wasn't all rain but nothing really accumulated in my area except on cars. Would say .5 on cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bates Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Sorry for starting all he controversy...I did not realize how many square miles W. Milford encompassed or how varied its altitude was. I haven't been there since the 1970's when I went for a visit to the now defunct Jungle Habitat. Two inches versus six inches in the same town just seemed to raise a red flag, and although I know that town has excellent elevation, I did not know that it varied by quite so much. I live in West Milford at 1100' elevation and am a NWS spotter. I did not report on this event as I was at work. However, I can say the 6" total reported was definitely reached at my house and immediate neighbors said it was closer to 7" here. As others have noted, West Milford is a large township (80 square miles) and elevations range from 300' to over 1400' so there is a wide variation in weather at times. On this past event, I can tell you that it looked like no more than 3" on the ground near town center (about 550') as I drove home Tuesday might, but there was a marked increase at about the 900' level and there was just under 6" (measured) at my house, and some of the snow had already compacted by then. Incidentally, I normally mention my elevation when reporting observations. Sometimes Upton states it but usually not. As for elevation's impact in general, these events are called elevation events for a reason. Before living here, I never realized the impact elevation has on snowfalls at times, especially with borderline temperature events. It's understandable for some people to believe that numbers are exagerrated. However, when you actually experience it, the variety over short distances is dramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Milford Highlander Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Amen Brother. I live in West Milford at 1100' elevation and am a NWS spotter. I did not report on this event as I was at work. However, I can say the 6" total reported was definitely reached at my house and immediate neighbors said it was closer to 7" here. As others have noted, West Milford is a large township (80 square miles) and elevations range from 300' to over 1400' so there is a wide variation in weather at times. On this past event, I can tell you that it looked like no more than 3" on the ground near town center (about 550') as I drove home Tuesday might, but there was a marked increase at about the 900' level and there was just under 6" (measured) at my house, and some of the snow had already compacted by then. Incidentally, I normally mention my elevation when reporting observations. Sometimes Upton states it but usually not. As for elevation's impact in general, these events are called elevation events for a reason. Before living here, I never realized the impact elevation has on snowfalls at times, especially with borderline temperature events. It's understandable for some people to believe that numbers are exagerrated. However, when you actually experience it, the variety over short distances is dramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 yup and there is real elvation change NW of 287 and i mean right NW My home is in Pompton Plains and I-287 runs right through the NW corner of the town and I work in Ramsey which sits basically right on Rt. 17 only about 2 miles to the SE of I-287. I can tell you that I didn't see a single drop of rain all day in both locations. We had about 2" on grassy surfaces and about 0.5" on paved surfaces in both locations. I-287 was just wet on both the morning and evening commutes but the back roads up in Ramsey were covered when I went out at lunch time. By the time I went home even the back roads were just wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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