West Milford Highlander Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 2 inches in my back yard in West Milford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Around 2" in Lyndhurst. Was surprised to get off the train and see snow. Wow, really? Slop all day, mainly rain, just 15 minutes Northeast of you. Tenafly came in at .5 inches=closest report of any kind of snow accumulation near my backyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Can anyone else verify approximately 4" in Hillsborough, NJ? It seems like an outlier (but I'm not a liar)! I am one township south of Hillsborough, and I got a little less than that around 3 inches, so your value doesn't seem to be an outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsnowx53 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It definitely makes sense that for the most part, the gradient in snowfall was west to east as opposed to north to south, considering the relatively strong ENE flow in the boundary layer. Although the surface winds were light, the winds just above were pretty strong, creating a thicker warm layer than some of us anticipated near the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Wow, really? Slop all day, mainly rain, just 15 minutes Northeast of you. Tenafly came in at .5 inches=closest report of any kind of snow accumulation near my backyard. Wow that's crazy. Cliffside park is not far from me and i had 2"+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick05 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Not to be a weenie but why was OKX so adamant with a changeover to snow here?? Even this afternoon they were still showing a 90% for snow with 0.2" accumulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm At Sea Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 My 85 year old grandfather, who had talked about the advent of Hurricane Sandy for the past 20 years, also always speeks of the I-287 snow/rain line. He was spot on today...I-287 seemed to be a good demarcation for this event. Hillsborough did in fact receive approx. 3-4 in. Once south of I-287, it quickly and I mean quickly went to just patches of snow (FWIW, it snowed pretty good south of there, but snow was melted by a good pelting of rain at around 12PM). It definitely makes sense that for the most part, the gradient in snowfall was west to east as opposed to north to south, considering the relatively strong ENE flow in the boundary layer. Although the surface winds were light, the winds just above were pretty strong, creating a thicker warm layer than some of us anticipated near the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Wow that's crazy. Cliffside park is not far from me and i had 2"+ Yup, zero accumulation here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmc10 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Yup, zero accumulation here. Crazy and in the elevated locations of NW Bergen 4 inches of snow accumulated. Very cool stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 My 85 year old grandfather, who had talked about the advent of Hurricane Sandy for the past 20 years, also always speeks of the I-287 snow/rain line. He was spot on today...I-287 seemed to be a good demarcation for this event. Hillsborough did in fact receive approx. 3-4 in. Once south of I-287, it quickly and I mean quickly went to just patches of snow (FWIW, it snowed pretty good south of there, but snow was melted by a good pelting of rain at around 12PM). yup and there is real elvation change NW of 287 and i mean right NW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Crazy and in the elevated locations of NW Bergen 4 inches of snow accumulated. Very cool stuff. I guess it is a pretty cool phenomenon but if you live in my town and are a snowhound like me then it kind of sucks lol. Some cars do have snow on them but nothing noticeable on the roads, grass, rooftops or trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 2 inches in my back yard in West Milford Makes the 6" on the PNS out of West Milford look slightly questionable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Makes the 6" on the PNS out of West Milford look slightly questionable.... That ob site has been known to be questionable for 20 years. Yet NWS keeps including their totals in the PNS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masomenos Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I guess it is a pretty cool phenomenon but if you live in my town and are a snowhound like me then it kind of sucks lol. Some cars do have snow on them but nothing noticeable on the roads, grass, rooftops or trees. That's nuts. I was in Bogota today (a whole 2 miles to your west and lower in elevation) and there was a solid inch on most surfaces at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ababa Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That ob site has been known to be questionable for 20 years. Yet NWS keeps including their totals in the PNS. I actually complained to nws couple of years ago about this and got a thoughtful response that others have complained about the west milford obs.....yet as you said they still keep including them. Sometimes near upper greenwood lake the elevation of 1000 feet or so does make a big difference but often times, especially in big storms, west Milford and the next town over, ringwood, will have the same exact snow totals and west Milford will report 4-6" more snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrick Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Just bought a house in the Hills of vernon...actuallyconsidered the town of sussex,nj. Moved in today. Elevation about 800 ft. Had about four incheson the grass and two on the driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Milford Highlander Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I actually complained to nws couple of years ago about this and got a thoughtful response that others have complained about the west milford obs.....yet as you said they still keep including them. Sometimes near upper greenwood lake the elevation of 1000 feet or so does make a big difference but often times, especially in big storms, west Milford and the next town over, ringwood, will have the same exact snow totals and west Milford will report 4-6" more snow. Ringwood and West Milford rarely have the same snow totals - although neighboring towns , the elevation difference is dramatic and the cutoff is always extreme. I know it seems suspicious but trust me on this one. My buddy did have 5.5 up the mountain which is about 15 miles northwest of me in same town so maybe NWS observer is up the mountain. West Milford definitely snow spot. East enough to get in heavier precip in nor'easters and elevated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Ringwood and West Milford rarely have the same snow totals - although neighboring towns , the elevation difference is dramatic and the cutoff is always extreme. I know it seems suspicious but trust me on this one. My buddy did have 5.5 up the mountain which is about 15 miles northwest of me in same town so maybe NWS observer is up the mountain. West Milford definitely snow spot. East enough to get in heavier precip in nor'easters and elevated I do believe they could of had 5-6 yesterday because they had a heavy band early in the morning that have then that extra inch. But Plenty of surround towns have equal elevation as west Milford , kinnelon, Jefferson , Vernon . If u are talking upper greenwood lake than they should be comparable to highland lakes . No doubt the higher spots do well in elevation storms but come on the same town is not always going be the jackpot for every storm. They should give the elevation of this PNs report . West Milford is a big town, and this report wasn't called in by the guy I know Who lives at 1100 ft. What time did u measure your snow by the way? Yours seems low actually. If u measures after 3 it's most likely to low because it really started to compact and melt by than and u were probably closer to 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I do believe they could of had 5-6 yesterday because they had a heavy band early in the morning that have then that extra inch. But Plenty of surround towns have equal elevation as west Milford , kinnelon, Jefferson , Vernon . If u are talking upper greenwood lake than they should be comparable to highland lakes . No doubt the higher spots do well in elevation storms but come on the same town is not always going be the jackpot for every storm. They should give the elevation of this PNs report . West Milford is a big town, and this report wasn't called in by the guy I know Who lives at 1100 ft. What time did u measure your snow by the way? Yours seems low actually. If u measures after 3 it's most likely to low because it really started to compact and melt by than and u were probably closer to 4. The Mt. Holly PNS has a couple 5" reports from Morris. One is listed at 900 feet. If I lived in West Milford, I'd try to get my house built up at 1100 feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I ended up with 0.54" of precip...In January it would be 5.4" of snow...The early month storm would have been a foot...One can only hope the same pattern comes back when it's the dead of winter...Todays weather definitely beats the 70 degrees on this date last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Milford Highlander Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I do believe they could of had 5-6 yesterday because they had a heavy band early in the morning that have then that extra inch. But Plenty of surround towns have equal elevation as west Milford , kinnelon, Jefferson , Vernon . If u are talking upper greenwood lake than they should be comparable to highland lakes . No doubt the higher spots do well in elevation storms but come on the same town is not always going be the jackpot for every storm. They should give the elevation of this PNs report . West Milford is a big town, and this report wasn't called in by the guy I know Who lives at 1100 ft. What time did u measure your snow by the way? Yours seems low actually. If u measures after 3 it's most likely to low because it really started to compact and melt by than and u were probably closer to 4. Again you really have to know the area - even Kinnelon is a few hundred feet below us which makes all the difference with the during these things. Jefferson is always similar to us with totals. The issues with Vernon and Sussex are often times that they are sometimes too far west to get in those serious bands so West Milford usually better than them in coastals. WM is 80 square miles. What people don't realize is the highest elevation is in fact not up the mountain in Upper Greenwood Lake but on Macopin Road closer to Kinnelon and Butler. In between is a deep valley near the center of town. That is why you receive so many different snow totals that make it seem suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Again you really have to know the area - even Kinnelon is a few hundred feet below us which makes all the difference with the during these things. Jefferson is always similar to us with totals. The issues with Vernon and Sussex are often times that they are sometimes too far west to get in those serious bands so West Milford usually better than them in coastals. WM is 80 square miles. What people don't realize is the highest elevation is in fact not up the mountain in Upper Greenwood Lake but on Macopin Road closer to Kinnelon and Butler. In between is a deep valley near the center of town. That is why you receive so many different snow totals that make it seem suspicious. Lived in the area for 40 years lol. I certainly know a lot about west Milford since I border it.. As for kinnelon smoke rise has some elevated areas over 1100 feet. Go check google earth . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Milford Highlander Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Lived in the area for 40 years lol. I certainly know a lot about west Milford since I border it.. As for kinnelon smoke rise has some elevated areas over 1100 feet. Go check google earth . I've lived her for 57 years - do not need to google anything. Have a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green tube Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Again you really have to know the area - even Kinnelon is a few hundred feet below us which makes all the difference with the during these things. Jefferson is always similar to us with totals. The issues with Vernon and Sussex are often times that they are sometimes too far west to get in those serious bands so West Milford usually better than them in coastals. WM is 80 square miles. What people don't realize is the highest elevation is in fact not up the mountain in Upper Greenwood Lake but on Macopin Road closer to Kinnelon and Butler. In between is a deep valley near the center of town. That is why you receive so many different snow totals that make it seem suspicious. good info. you should save this post and re-post during future events. hopefully eventually all the doubters will have been educated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I've lived her for 57 years - do not need to google anything. Have a good day. Obviously U do. By the way i hope u realize nobody lives in those-highest peaks in west Milford that u are referring about (areas of 1486 ft). Highest inhabited areas are around 1200 ft in upper greenwood lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Milford Highlander Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Obviously U do. By the way i hope u realize nobody lives in those-highest peaks in west Milford that u are referring about (areas of 1486 ft). Highest inhabited areas are around 1200 ft in upper greenwood lake. Hahaha cleary you do not know some of the hillbillies that live up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Milford Highlander Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 good info. you should save this post and re-post during future events. hopefully eventually all the doubters will have been educated. Thank you - always interesting to see the dramatic dropoffs when I get on route 23 and drive a few miles down the road to Kinelon, Butler, etc. durng the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Rain/snow line was just west of NYC. So close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Hahaha cleary you do not know some of the hillbillies that live up here. Lol u re probably right about that lol. A neat road to travel in the winter during elevation events is glen wild / otter hole. Starts at 400 and goes to 1000 pretty quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rygar Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The Mt. Holly PNS has a couple 5" reports from Morris. One is listed at 900 feet. If I lived in West Milford, I'd try to get my house built up at 1100 feet I had 5 as well in Morris Co. (980 ft) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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