michsnowfreak Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 DTX surprisingly is below normal by 2" snowfall-wise right now.. And with at least this next week looking snow-free, the departure will continue to grow.. Good snowpack though so far for you guys so it goes to show you can have an enjoyable time even with below-normal snowfall.. We were at -6.7" on Dec 23rd. Dec 21-30 not only accounted for Decembers entire snowfall total, but it still allowed the 9th warmest Dec to finish 1" snowier than normal. But Nov and Jan slow start still leave us at a -2.0" deficit. I wouldnt mind a below normal snow season if it came with snowcover. Of course Id prefer the snowiest and most snowcovered winter on record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 well I'm happy that I was at least able to witness one winter storm this season. I'm on my way this week to backpack across south east asia for a couple months so I doubt I see another snowstorm until next winter. Good luck to everyone in here, hopefully a couple snowstorms come around but nothing historical (my own selfish reasons haha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 lol.. wut.. what's unfortunate is your timing of a move to Muskegon. Cutters to Wyandotte, LES, and Clippers will bless you again in the future. You live in a awesome spot but are using a tiny sample size to judge your location to be in a bad storm track zone especially for storms from the SW - those are our bread and butter - some yrs a lot better than others. If every winter was like 2007/08 we would avg double of what we really do. Our sub-forum is a huge area and 9 times out of 10 one area at least is going to get screwed relative to the winners. You live in a great spot and probably 90% of snow lovers in this sub-forum would trade spots with you in a heartbeat. If you stick around in Muskegon for 10 yrs - winters will avg themselves out to what is more typical and you will be consoling those who are consoling you now more times than not. Just 4 years ago Muskegon got like 180+ inches for one season... So just hang in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just 4 years ago Muskegon got like 180+ inches for one season... So just hang in there. Not quite that much, but they got 148.2" which was their 5th snowiest winter on record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 well I'm happy that I was at least able to witness one winter storm this season. I'm on my way this week to backpack across south east asia for a couple months so I doubt I see another snowstorm until next winter. Good luck to everyone in here, hopefully a couple snowstorms come around but nothing historical (my own selfish reasons haha) Have a nice trip! You know TO. Virtually zero chance you miss a historic snowstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfern Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not quite that much, but they got 148.2" which was their 5th snowiest winter on record. Time for some snow porn... In 08' there was something like 20" depth on Christmas Eve from multiple storms. Very little drifting so what you see pretty much fell straight down. PC242835 by marshallbs, on Flickr Then there was February 2011. About 23" on the ground here after the Groundhogs Day blizzard. 15" pure fresh powder on top of the 8" of fluff that was already on the ground. Great depth with no crusts so you could pretty much wade through well up past your knees. P2028861 by marshallbs, on Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I throw some snow pictures up to! Great pictures Frostfern - That's one buried deck! We can't even buy a tenth of what these pictures show! View of my driveway during the LES part of the GHDB. At least a 36" drift on the driveway there. < GHDB: shoveling a path to the road. All the snow after the 12/25-26, 2010 LES event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfern Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 mmmm.... I top you with 19 feet... http://www.flickr.com/photos/13669377@N02/2406349813/'>http://www.flickr.com/photos/13669377@N02/2406349813/'>IMG_1253 by http://www.flickr.com/people/13669377@N02/'>marshallbs, on Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/13669377@N02/2407174196/'>http://www.flickr.com/photos/13669377@N02/2407174196/'>IMG_1172 by http://www.flickr.com/people/13669377@N02/'>marshallbs, on Flickr Okay, I cheated. Not in Michigan. This one is though... 2/5/2011 http://www.flickr.com/photos/13669377@N02/5420215374/'>http://www.flickr.com/photos/13669377@N02/5420215374/'>P2058881_edit by http://www.flickr.com/people/13669377@N02/'>marshallbs, on Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Watching my dirt piles of snow melt and the Irish laying an egg.. Ugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Solid snowpack from when I pulled out of Kittatiny Mtn Tunnel in PA all the way to this Cleveland suburb. Makes me kinda jealous. Will there be white all the way to Valpo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 lol.. wut.. what's unfortunate is your timing of a move to Muskegon. Cutters to Wyandotte, LES, and Clippers will bless you again in the future. You live in a awesome spot but are using a tiny sample size to judge your location to be in a bad storm track zone especially for storms from the SW - those are our bread and butter - some yrs a lot better than others. If every winter was like 2007/08 we would avg double of what we really do. Our sub-forum is a huge area and 9 times out of 10 one area at least is going to get screwed relative to the winners. You live in a great spot and probably 90% of snow lovers in this sub-forum would trade spots with you in a heartbeat. If you stick around in Muskegon for 10 yrs - winters will avg themselves out to what is more typical and you will be consoling those who are consoling you now more times than not. Thanks for the head's up and not just making snotty comments. Geos will be the first one getting any consoling from me. He has been quite encouraging during this unfortunate timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Just 4 years ago Muskegon got like 180+ inches for one season... So just hang in there. Not quite that much, but they got 148.2" which was their 5th snowiest winter on record. I appreciate the positivity guys. That was the winter right before I moved here. Hoping to experience one close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 mmmm.... I top you with 19 feet... IMG_1253 by marshallbs, on Flickr IMG_1172 by marshallbs, on Flickr Okay, I cheated. Not in Michigan. This one is though... 2/5/2011 P2058881_edit by marshallbs, on Flickr This looks like my neck of the woods. Did you take the Lake Michigan shot at Hoffmaster? I live pretty close to it and LOVE hiking there in all seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Rain, Rain, refrozen puddles/black ice ,Brief cool down, thaw, torch ,coating of snow, melt, repeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Rain, Rain, refrozen puddles/black ice ,Brief cool down, thaw, torch ,coating of snow, melt, repeat... That would be my weenie second half to winter call right now for mke/chi.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 it's probably not a bad call for the next 20 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 leave going against the grain to cutting your steak or the positive polly's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 mmmm.... I top you with 19 feet... IMG_1253 by marshallbs, on Flickr IMG_1172 by marshallbs, on Flickr Okay, I cheated. Not in Michigan. This one is though... 2/5/2011 P2058881_edit by marshallbs, on Flickr Nice! I don't have any of my own photos that can top that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfern Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This looks like my neck of the woods. Did you take the Lake Michigan shot at Hoffmaster? I live pretty close to it and LOVE hiking there in all seasons. I think it was just south of Grand Haven. The previous pictures are from Mt. Rainier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Way too many people are jumping ship on a winter that's not even half over...Less than 4 inches of snow has fallen here in Racine, yet I have nothing to complain about weather-wise. Sure I love a big snowstorm but there's more to weather than just that. If each run of the GFS is going to give you wild mood swings you need to get a new hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 leave going against the grain to cutting your steak or the positive polly's. Lol...positive pollies....they can be just as annoying, can't they? Our local mets are already saying an increased chance of snow over SOUTHEAST Michigan next week as a couple lows go towards Ohio..... Bahaha.... That sounds like the same craptastic pattern we JUST got out of!!! Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 leave going against the grain to cutting your steak or the positive polly's. Lol...positive pollies....they can be just as annoying, can't they? Our local mets are already saying an increased chance of snow over SOUTHEAST Michigan next week as a couple lows go towards Ohio..... Bahaha.... That sounds like the same craptastic pattern we JUST got out of!!! Meh. There is a clipper coming through a bit later in the period that will get LES cranking for you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Lol...positive pollies....they can be just as annoying, can't they? Our local mets are already saying an increased chance of snow over SOUTHEAST Michigan next week as a couple lows go towards Ohio..... Bahaha.... That sounds like the same craptastic pattern we JUST got out of!!! Meh. Lol. Why the hate & why the move to Musky? You guys do fine with LES, down here we do great synoptic wise. You make it sound like SeMI shouldn't get "all" this snow we have amassed when in fact its very normal. You will get some snow soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The thing about living in a LES zone is that it's extremely easy to build up huge snowfall deficits, but on the other hand extremely easy to make up those deficits in a matter of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Lol. Why the hate & why the move to Musky? You guys do fine with LES, down here we do great synoptic wise. You make it sound like SeMI shouldn't get "all" this snow we have amassed when in fact its very normal. You will get some snow soon enough. not hatin'.... It's just been our forecast most of the winter... "flurries possible with moderate snow southeast from Lansing to Detroit." I am just ready for a "share the wealth" storm. Still waiting for a system hat covers the grass completely. I moved to Muskegon because I actually found a job opportunity...and it was a job in one of the few cities in a snowbelt...which it hasn't really lived up to....because of the not-so-good patterns the past couple of years. I actually live closer to Spring Lake, but I think Muskegon gets way too much of a bad rep. Sure, it is struggling, but there are some great people here who are putting their heart and money into the city. It is also a beautiful area with GREAT recreational opportunities. Now, if we could just get the lake effect to cooperate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The thing about living in a LES zone is that it's extremely easy to build up huge snowfall deficits, but on the other hand extremely easy to make up those deficits in a matter of days. Hmmm, great point, Trent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfern Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 The thing about living in a LES zone is that it's extremely easy to build up huge snowfall deficits, but on the other hand extremely easy to make up those deficits in a matter of days. That depends on what kind of a LES zone you're in. SW Lower MI doesn't have the greatest fetch for heavy bands except for a few very favored locations in very special conditions. The seasonal totals come mostly from nickle-and-dime type stuff, but it can go for days on end, especially in a blocking pattern where there's a nice big closed low stationed to the north over Ontario, keeping the lapse rates steep and pinwheeling spokes of energy through. Very low ratios due to efficient dendrite production also enhance the totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 That depends on what kind of a LES zone you're in. SW Lower MI doesn't have the greatest fetch for heavy bands except for a few very favored locations in very special conditions. The seasonal totals come mostly from nickle-and-dime type stuff, but it can go for days on end, especially in a blocking pattern where there's a nice big closed low stationed to the north over Ontario, keeping the lapse rates steep and pinwheeling spokes of energy through. Very low ratios due to efficient dendrite production also enhance the totals. Another good point. It is often more snow showers than snow squalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 From a chasing perspective, give me a solid north flow LES event into NW Indiana any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 That depends on what kind of a LES zone you're in. SW Lower MI doesn't have the greatest fetch for heavy bands except for a few very favored locations in very special conditions. The seasonal totals come mostly from nickle-and-dime type stuff, but it can go for days on end, especially in a blocking pattern where there's a nice big closed low stationed to the north over Ontario, keeping the lapse rates steep and pinwheeling spokes of energy through. Very low ratios due to efficient dendrite production also enhance the totals. This x1,000!! Typically most here in W.MI. ( GRR area ) get between 6-14 from a LES event when we have the big closed low ( moisture supplier ) and decent enough cold etc with the wnw/west/wsw flow. The exception to the rule ( in GRR area ) is Van Buren, Western Kalamazoo, and Allegan as they can cash in nicely ( thus those who are more prone to 18+ type deals ) from nnw/nw flow events which allows for better banding etc thanks to the longer fetch of lake available. The points are another such spot. Only way that happens elsewhere is under more extreme circumstances ( See Jan 99 right after the blizz, late Dec 2001 etc ) and or involving a meso low sorta like we had in 06-07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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