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Winter '12/'13 Complaint Thread


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DTX surprisingly is below normal by 2" snowfall-wise right now..

And with at least this next week looking snow-free, the departure will continue to grow..

 

Good snowpack though so far for you guys so it goes to show you can have an enjoyable time even with below-normal snowfall.. 

 

We were at -6.7" on Dec 23rd. Dec 21-30 not only accounted for Decembers entire snowfall total, but it still allowed the 9th warmest Dec to finish 1" snowier than normal. But Nov and Jan slow start still leave us at a -2.0" deficit. I wouldnt mind a below normal snow season if it came with snowcover. Of course Id prefer the snowiest and most snowcovered winter on record :)

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well I'm happy that I was at least able to witness one winter storm this season. I'm on my way this week to backpack across south east asia for a couple months so I doubt I see another snowstorm until next winter. Good luck to everyone in here, hopefully a couple snowstorms come around but nothing historical (my own selfish reasons haha) 

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lol.. wut.. 

 

what's unfortunate is your timing of a move to Muskegon.   Cutters to Wyandotte, LES, and Clippers will bless you again in the future.  You live in a awesome spot but are using a tiny sample size to judge your location to be in a bad storm track zone especially for storms from the SW - those are our bread and butter - some yrs a lot  better than others.  If every winter was like 2007/08 we would avg double of what we really do.  Our sub-forum is a huge area and 9 times out of 10 one area at least is going to get screwed relative to the winners.  You live in a great spot and probably 90% of snow lovers in this sub-forum would trade spots with you in a heartbeat.  If you stick around in Muskegon for 10 yrs - winters will avg themselves out to what is more typical and you will be consoling those who are consoling you now more times than not.

 

Just 4 years ago Muskegon got like 180+ inches for one season... So just hang in there.

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well I'm happy that I was at least able to witness one winter storm this season. I'm on my way this week to backpack across south east asia for a couple months so I doubt I see another snowstorm until next winter. Good luck to everyone in here, hopefully a couple snowstorms come around but nothing historical (my own selfish reasons haha) 

 

Have a nice trip! :) You know TO. Virtually zero chance you miss a historic snowstorm.

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Not quite that much, but they got 148.2" which was their 5th snowiest winter on record.

 

Time for some snow porn...

 

In 08' there was something like 20" depth on Christmas Eve from multiple storms.  Very little drifting so what you see pretty much fell straight down.

 

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PC242835 by marshallbs, on Flickr

 

Then there was February 2011.  About 23" on the ground here after the Groundhogs Day blizzard.  15" pure fresh powder on top of the 8" of fluff that was already on the ground.  Great depth with no crusts so you could pretty much wade through well up past your knees.

 

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P2028861 by marshallbs, on Flickr

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I throw some snow pictures up to! Great pictures Frostfern - That's one buried deck!

We can't even buy a tenth of what these pictures show!

 

View of my driveway during the LES part of the GHDB. At least a 36" drift on the driveway there.

 

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167350_1811677738635_2436073_n.jpg < GHDB: shoveling a path to the road.

 

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All the snow after the 12/25-26, 2010 LES event.

 

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lol.. wut..

what's unfortunate is your timing of a move to Muskegon. Cutters to Wyandotte, LES, and Clippers will bless you again in the future. You live in a awesome spot but are using a tiny sample size to judge your location to be in a bad storm track zone especially for storms from the SW - those are our bread and butter - some yrs a lot better than others. If every winter was like 2007/08 we would avg double of what we really do. Our sub-forum is a huge area and 9 times out of 10 one area at least is going to get screwed relative to the winners. You live in a great spot and probably 90% of snow lovers in this sub-forum would trade spots with you in a heartbeat. If you stick around in Muskegon for 10 yrs - winters will avg themselves out to what is more typical and you will be consoling those who are consoling you now more times than not.

Thanks for the head's up and not just making snotty comments. Geos will be the first one getting any consoling from me. He has been quite encouraging during this unfortunate timing. :)

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mmmm....

I top you with 19 feet...

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IMG_1253 by marshallbs, on Flickr

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Okay, I cheated. Not in Michigan. This one is though... 2/5/2011

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P2058881_edit by marshallbs, on Flickr

This looks like my neck of the woods. Did you take the Lake Michigan shot at Hoffmaster? I live pretty close to it and LOVE hiking there in all seasons.

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Way too many people are jumping ship on a winter that's not even half over...Less than 4 inches of snow has fallen here in Racine, yet I have nothing to complain about weather-wise. Sure I love a  big snowstorm but there's more to weather than just that.  If each run of the GFS is going to give you wild mood swings you need to get a new hobby.

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leave going against the grain to cutting your steak or the positive polly's.

Lol...positive pollies....they can be just as annoying, can't they?

Our local mets are already saying an increased chance of snow over SOUTHEAST Michigan next week as a couple lows go towards Ohio..... Bahaha.... That sounds like the same craptastic pattern we JUST got out of!!! Meh.

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leave going against the grain to cutting your steak or the positive polly's.

Lol...positive pollies....they can be just as annoying, can't they?

Our local mets are already saying an increased chance of snow over SOUTHEAST Michigan next week as a couple lows go towards Ohio..... Bahaha.... That sounds like the same craptastic pattern we JUST got out of!!! Meh.

There is a clipper coming through a bit later in the period that will get LES cranking for you....

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Lol...positive pollies....they can be just as annoying, can't they?

Our local mets are already saying an increased chance of snow over SOUTHEAST Michigan next week as a couple lows go towards Ohio..... Bahaha.... That sounds like the same craptastic pattern we JUST got out of!!! Meh.

Lol. Why the hate & why the move to Musky? You guys do fine with LES, down here we do great synoptic wise. You make it sound like SeMI shouldn't get "all" this snow we have amassed when in fact its very normal. You will get some snow soon enough.

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Lol. Why the hate & why the move to Musky? You guys do fine with LES, down here we do great synoptic wise. You make it sound like SeMI shouldn't get "all" this snow we have amassed when in fact its very normal. You will get some snow soon enough.

:) not hatin'.... It's just been our forecast most of the winter... "flurries possible with moderate snow southeast from Lansing to Detroit." I am just ready for a "share the wealth" storm. Still waiting for a system hat covers the grass completely.

I moved to Muskegon because I actually found a job opportunity...and it was a job in one of the few cities in a snowbelt...which it hasn't really lived up to....because of the not-so-good patterns the past couple of years. I actually live closer to Spring Lake, but I think Muskegon gets way too much of a bad rep. Sure, it is struggling, but there are some great people here who are putting their heart and money into the city. It is also a beautiful area with GREAT recreational opportunities. Now, if we could just get the lake effect to cooperate...

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The thing about living in a LES zone is that it's extremely easy to build up huge snowfall deficits, but on the other hand extremely easy to make up those deficits in a matter of days.

 

That depends on what kind of a LES zone you're in.  SW Lower MI doesn't have the greatest fetch for heavy bands except for a few very favored locations in very special conditions.  The seasonal totals come mostly from nickle-and-dime type stuff, but it can go for days on end, especially in a blocking pattern where there's a nice big closed low stationed to the north over Ontario, keeping the lapse rates steep and pinwheeling spokes of energy through.  Very low ratios due to efficient dendrite production also enhance the totals.

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That depends on what kind of a LES zone you're in. SW Lower MI doesn't have the greatest fetch for heavy bands except for a few very favored locations in very special conditions. The seasonal totals come mostly from nickle-and-dime type stuff, but it can go for days on end, especially in a blocking pattern where there's a nice big closed low stationed to the north over Ontario, keeping the lapse rates steep and pinwheeling spokes of energy through. Very low ratios due to efficient dendrite production also enhance the totals.

Another good point. It is often more snow showers than snow squalls.

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That depends on what kind of a LES zone you're in.  SW Lower MI doesn't have the greatest fetch for heavy bands except for a few very favored locations in very special conditions.  The seasonal totals come mostly from nickle-and-dime type stuff, but it can go for days on end, especially in a blocking pattern where there's a nice big closed low stationed to the north over Ontario, keeping the lapse rates steep and pinwheeling spokes of energy through.  Very low ratios due to efficient dendrite production also enhance the totals.

 

 

This x1,000!! Typically most here in W.MI. ( GRR area ) get between 6-14 from a LES event when we have the big closed low ( moisture supplier ) and decent enough cold etc with the wnw/west/wsw flow. The exception to the rule ( in GRR area ) is Van Buren, Western Kalamazoo, and Allegan as they can cash in nicely ( thus those who are more prone to 18+ type deals )  from nnw/nw flow events which allows for better banding etc thanks to the longer fetch of lake available. The points are another such spot. Only way that happens elsewhere is under more extreme circumstances ( See Jan 99 right after the blizz, late Dec 2001 etc )  and or involving a meso low sorta like we had in 06-07.

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