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Winter '12/'13 Complaint Thread


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Looking like the one storm is all we will get around here for the foreseeable future. And I didn't get to see much because I only got 4.5 inches from the storm, and 3.5 inches of it fell while I was asleep. Now we get the typical cold, dry, and boring post-storm pattern that I hate. I'm no more enthused about this winter than I was ten days ago.

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haha I just saw the new title. I wouldn't say meltdown watch, I feel like were used to it now along the 401 corridor from Detroit to Toronto. Toronto is now a city like Nashville where the city will no doubt have 100s of crashes on weds with a 2-4 inch snowfall. As well, people will feel (myself included) that 4 inches is a good snowstorm.

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I feel like alot of the SEMI posters jump ship way too wuickly.

That is very accurate. SEMIganders have to realize that a 5-9" or even a 4-8" is a really good event for the area.

Detroit averages one 10"+ event once every 6.4 years, 12"+ event once every 12 years and 15"+ once every 42 years. 20"+ once every 150 years!!

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That is very accurate. SEMIganders have to realize that a 5-9" or even a 4-8" is a really good event for the area.

Detroit averages one 10"+ event once every 6.4 years, 12"+ event once every 12 years and 15"+ once every 42 years. 20"+ once every 150 years!!

That is amazing. You guys do have it bad.

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The City of Detroit has it bad. 30 miles in either direction of the city proper has had a 12"+ snowfall in the last 25 years. Josh could verify that and correct if needed.

The problem is we see every where besides maybe STL and IND get a 15"+ event in the last 20 years. SEMI posters Feel like "when is it our turn" but most don't know Detroit actually is always on the low end of totals. For example: 1999 Mt Clemens picked up 16" of snow, Dec 2000 MBY picked up 17.5" all the way toward Port Huron which recorded 21". The Clipper 2005 dumped 17" of Snow in Shelby TWP. Spring Storm of 05 brought 12-18" across the north and the thumb and lets not forget the NYD storm of 2008. I had 24 hr total of 16.5"! The area gets it just the high totals never gets "DTW

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haha I just saw the new title. I wouldn't say meltdown watch, I feel like were used to it now along the 401 corridor from Detroit to Toronto. Toronto is now a city like Nashville where the city will no doubt have 100s of crashes on weds with a 2-4 inch snowfall. As well, people will feel (myself included) that 4 inches is a good snowstorm.

So long as we get more than 2" of snow, I'm happy. We didn't have a single 2"+ storm ALL OF LAST YEAR. If we manage 4" it's going to feel like Jan 99.

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That is amazing. You guys do have it bad.

Detroit officially may only average a 10"+ storm every 6 years, but dmc actually probably does much better.

Regarding the bolded on 20"+ storms...many midwest cities have never even had one. They are very uncommon here. You are lucky in the northland.

Total 20"+ storms:

Chicago: 3 (records to 1885) - 23.0", 21.6", 20.3"

Detroit: 1 (records to 1880) - 24.5"

Milwaukee: 1 (records to 1884) - 20.3"

Toledo: 1 (records to 188?) - 22.0"

St Louis: 0 (records to 1883)

Indianapolis: 0 (records to 188?)

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The problem is we see every where besides maybe STL and IND get a 15"+ event in the last 20 years. SEMI posters Feel like "when is it our turn" but most don't know Detroit actually is always on the low end of totals. For example: 1999 Mt Clemens picked up 16" of snow, Dec 2000 MBY picked up 17.5" all the way toward Port Huron which recorded 21". The Clipper 2005 dumped 17" of Snow in Shelby TWP. Spring Storm of 05 brought 12-18" across the north and the thumb and lets not forget the NYD storm of 2008. I had 24 hr total of 16.5"! The area gets it just the high totals never gets "DTW

And when DTW does get it (Jan 22, 2005) it shouldnt count as a 12"+ storm because its just over 12". :unsure::lol:

Jokes aside I did a study a while back comparing Detroit and Chicago snowstorms (cant find it ugh), bottom line....somewhere around 8" is the turning point between the two. Detroit has had more 6"+ storms but Chicago more 10"+ storms. Just the way it is.

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Detroit officially may only average a 10"+ storm every 6 years, but dmc actually probably does much better.

Regarding the bolded on 20"+ storms...many midwest cities have never even had one. They are very uncommon here. You are lucky in the northland.

Total 20"+ storms:

Chicago: 3 (records to 1885) - 23.0", 21.6", 20.3"

Detroit: 1 (records to 1880) - 24.5"

Milwaukee: 1 (records to 1884) - 20.3"

Toledo: 1 (records to 188?) - 22.0"

St Louis: 0 (records to 1883)

Indianapolis: 0 (records to 188?)

When I look at everyone else's stats in regards to how often they get a 20"+ snow I am very lucky. Duluth averages a 20"+ snow event every 5 years. Last one was Christmas 2009.

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So long as we get more than 2" of snow, I'm happy. We didn't have a single 2"+ storm ALL OF LAST YEAR. If we manage 4" it's going to feel like Jan 99.

:lmao: That's the spirit! Keep your expectations low. At least with a 2" snowpack it'll look and feel like winter. A snowpack will allow for some radiational cooling at night.

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And when DTW does get it (Jan 22, 2005) it shouldnt count as a 12"+ storm because its just over 12". :unsure::lol:

Jokes aside I did a study a while back comparing Detroit and Chicago snowstorms (cant find it ugh), bottom line....somewhere around 8" is the turning point between the two. Detroit has had more 6"+ storms but Chicago more 10"+ storms. Just the way it is.

Another moisture source that we don't have. Huron only helps the NNE part of the area,

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Looking like the one storm is all we will get around here for the foreseeable future. And I didn't get to see much because I only got 4.5 inches from the storm, and 3.5 inches of it fell while I was asleep. Now we get the typical cold, dry, and boring post-storm pattern that I hate. I'm no more enthused about this winter than I was ten days ago.

That explains my attitude in a nutshell. Those who live in Interior Northeast and New England don't realize how lucky they have it. It seems no matter the pattern, they don't have to go through this type of boring winter pattern. In a gradient winter like 07-08, they do as well as many of us in the Midwest, and in a suppressed pattern, they have a better chance of receiving some high ratio than we do. That's where we need to move I guess.

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That explains my attitude in a nutshell. Those who live in Interior Northeast and New England don't realize how lucky they have it. It seems no matter the pattern, they don't have to go through this type of boring winter pattern. In a gradient winter like 07-08, they do as well as many of us in the Midwest, and in a suppressed pattern, they have a better chance of receiving some high ratio than we do. That's where we need to move I guess.

They dont do well no matter what the pattern (ie last year)...but their potential for a bigger storm is always better than us, esp when the pattern is good. Suppression is as much as nightmare for them as us, in fact, perhaps even moreso (depending where/if a dominant clipper track sets up). Whats often great for the 95 cities is not great for interior NE.

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They dont do well no matter what the pattern (ie last year)...but their potential for a bigger storm is always better than us, esp when the pattern is good. Suppression is as much as nightmare for them as us, in fact, perhaps even moreso (depending where/if a dominant clipper track sets up). Whats often great for the 95 cities is not great for interior NE.

Yeah, but think of the number of storms that track near the I95 cities that hammer New England/Interior Northeast, plus much of New York has lake effect potential (which the western shore of Lake Michigan almost never has. They could always travel closer to the coast if they wanted to. When we're in a suppressed pattern, we have nowhere to go to escape it nearby, only colder and still dry areas like Duluth and Marquette.

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Yeah, but think of the number of storms that track near the I95 cities that hammer New England/Interior Northeast, plus much of New York has lake effect potential (which the western shore of Lake Michigan almost never has. They could always travel closer to the coast if they wanted to. When we're in a suppressed pattern, we have nowhere to go to escape it nearby, only colder and still dry areas like Duluth and Marquette.

The place you would love then is the Watertown NY area. They cash in on lake effect, inland coastal storms, and generally hold cold air longer so they receive a mix in the worst case scenarios

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seriously, DTX issues this "

"NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI

347 PM EST MON DEC 24 2012

MIZ053-054-060>062-068>070-076-083-242145-

GENESEE-LAPEER-LIVINGSTON-OAKLAND-SAGINAW-SHIAWASSEE-MACOMB-MONROE-

WAYNE-TUSCOLA-

INCLUDING...ALMONT...BIRCH RUN...CANTON...CHESANING...CLIO...

COLUMBIAVILLE...DAVISON...DOWNTOWN DETROIT...DURAND...FENTON...FLAT

ROCK...FLINT...FLUSHING...FRANKENMUTH...GRAND BLANC...GROSSE

POINTE...HOLLY...IMLAY CITY...LAPEER...LIVONIA...MILFORD...

MILLINGTON...MOUNT CLEMENS...NEW LOTHROP...NOVI...OWOSSO...OXFORD...

PONTIAC...ROMEO...ROMULUS...SOUTHFIELD...ST. CLAIR SHORES...TAYLOR...

TROY AND WARREN

347 PM EST MON DEC 24 2012

.NOW...

AT 345 PM THE LEADING EDGE OF AN AREA OF SNOW WAS LOCATED FROM 6

MILES WEST OF OWOSSO TO FLAT ROCK...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 15 MPH.

THE SNOW WILL REACH...

TRENTON...LENNON...GROSSE ILE AROUND 400 PM...

HENDERSON...WYANDOTTE...WEST BLOOMFIELD...SWARTZ CREEK AROUND 410

PM...

OAKLEY...SOUTHFIELD...GRAND BLANC AROUND 420 PM...

HEAVY FALLING AND BLOWING SNOW WILL CREATE REDUCED VISIBILITIES.

LOCATIONS CAN EXPECT A FEW TENTHS OF AN INCH OF SNOW WITH THIS BAND

OF SNOW SHOWERS.

$$

KURIMSKI"

Sounds like a Severe Thunderstorm Warning lol, but they cant issue a WSW for the potential storm on Wed.. :/..

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The place you would love then is the Watertown NY area. They cash in on lake effect, inland coastal storms, and generally hold cold air longer so they receive a mix in the worst case scenarios

Yeah, that sounds nice, limiting the boring periods is more important than even seeing the big bombs. There have been some great years even around here for avoiding boring times in winter, like 2007-08, 2010-11, but they are certainly more the exception than the rule.

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Yeah, that sounds nice, limiting the boring periods is more important than even seeing the big bombs. There have been some great years even around here for avoiding boring times in winter, like 2007-08, 2010-11, but they are certainly more the exception than the rule.

Dont you think if it was stormy all the time though that it would make storms less special?

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