michsnowfreak Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Im a little north of Duluth on the north shore As snowhungry as we all are, you certainly have more to complain about. The odds of having snowcover here right now, climatologically speaking, are just shy of 50%. Your odds are as close to 100% as you can get. So it indeed does suck for you. Jan looking mighty cold, hopefully a clipper express sets up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Abortion of a month so far. LOTs busted call even makes me pissed. Hello 1990s...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnweather Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 As snowhungry as we all are, you certainly have more to complain about. The odds of having snowcover here right now, climatologically speaking, are just shy of 50%. Your odds are as close to 100% as you can get. So it indeed does suck for you. Jan looking mighty cold, hopefully a clipper express sets up. You are 100% correct. When people rely on this snow for their livelihood and their is drought and warm temperatures then things turn ugly in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppsRunner Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 This. Only 11 inches on the season. Boo ****ing hoo. I havent an inch yet. Try saying that to a local business owner up this way and you might feel different. Yeah when you factor climo in it's pretty clear that mnweather and the Duluth area have much more to factor in than SEMI... snow is a huge part of the economy, not just a hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Yeah when you factor climo in it's pretty clear that mnweather and the Duluth area have much more to factor in than SEMI... snow is a huge part of the economy, not just a hobby. Would be nice to use the snowshoes again though lol. But yeah this should get all the ski areas and snowmobile trails absolutely roaring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Abortion of a month so far. LOTs busted call even makes me pissed. Hello 1990s...lol Blizzard warned all day... 6-9 inches. Finished with a touch over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishforsnow Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 It has been pretty pitiful here in the Keweenaw so far. Not enough snow to get my sled out on the trails. As long as this split flow continues we won't get the Alberta Clippers and colder air to give us good lake effect. After the snow we got yesterday and last night we probably have about 4 inches on the ground and usually this time of year there should be a couple of feet in my yard and the snow banks along the side of the streets should be at least up to my chest. This is what I get for buying a new snowblower early December. The business that rely on the Christmas week sledders are going to be real hurting since this is the second December that conditions have sucked. I did seen one snowmobile trailer at the Ramada Inn and couldn't believe they wasted the gas to drive up here unless they brought 4 wheelers with them. Also, the Portage canal should be frozen solid by now and it just gets a skim of ice on it and then it warms up melting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 DANGIT!!!! This last storm went too far north.... This storm looks like it may be too far south.... DANGIT!!! DANGIT!!! I will remain hopeful... but it seems even the winter weather is afraid to go into Detroit... just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 DANGIT!!!! This last storm went too far north.... This storm looks like it may be too far south.... DANGIT!!! DANGIT!!! I will remain hopeful... but it seems even the winter weather is afraid to go into Detroit... just sayin' The wintry weather made it into Detroit just fine today, did it not? Models are a mess regarding the next week. IF we miss the storm to the south then a lot of us may post in here, but try to remain calm in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Illinois Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 well looks like we lose a lot of the western region to snow. At least Toronto and Detroit are still going strong haha.lol you could add St. Louis and areas to the northeast to that list Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Nothing lovelier than watching a big swath of snow descend from the north, completely dry up just before it enters Toronto, and then reform over Lake Ontario and smack WNY. This stuff makes life worth living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Nothing lovelier than watching a big swath of snow descend from the north, completely dry up just before it enters Toronto, and then reform over Lake Ontario and smack WNY. This stuff makes life worth living. Did you guys in Toronto do something that caused a hex to be placed upon you all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Nothing lovelier than watching a big swath of snow descend from the north, completely dry up just before it enters Toronto, and then reform over Lake Ontario and smack WNY. This stuff makes life worth living. About as bad as it gets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Nothing lovelier than watching a big swath of snow descend from the north, completely dry up just before it enters Toronto, and then reform over Lake Ontario and smack WNY. This stuff makes life worth living. Did Toronto get any snow from this system? I know you guys are at your wits end with your luck, but I notice you guys dont have snowfall totals in your sigs, so just wondering where you are at on the season or with this storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Did you guys in Toronto do something that caused a hex to be placed upon you all? Not that I know of. But if I ever find out who did, I got a 2 x 4 with his name on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Did Toronto get any snow from this system? I know you guys are at your wits end with your luck, but I notice you guys dont have snowfall totals in your sigs, so just wondering where you are at on the season or with this storm. T for this system. And what's the point of putting a snow total sig when it doesn't snow here anymore. T at Pearson for the season (surpassing 1998 as the latest that locale has gone into the season without having any measurable), 0.3" imby, and I believe 0.3" downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 T for this system. And what's the point of putting a snow total sig when it doesn't snow here anymore. T at Pearson for the season (surpassing 1998 as the latest that locale has gone into the season with having any measurable), 0.3" imby, and I believe 0.3" downtown. David Phillips of Environment Canada was actually quoted today as saying that "Mother Nature has forgotten how to snow in Toronto". It really is odd that Toronto has had such a snow derth, joking aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 David Phillips of Environment Canada was actually quoted today as saying that "Mother Nature has forgotten how to snow in Toronto". It really is odd that Toronto has had such a snow derth, joking aside. I agree. And I frankly just dont understand it. We always joke about it and all the Toronto posters have come to terms with it to where they can mock it as easily as they can be frustrated by it. But Torontos snowfall the last several years has been WAY below what they should get, and it makes no sense, ESPECIALLY when places in every direction from them have been getting way MORE than their climo would dictate. We all know theres REALLY no such thing as a curse, and there hasnt been some sort of explosion or something that has changed the topography of Toronto. So WHY is this happening? And Im asking that from a meteorological standpoint, not a "it doesnt snow in Toronto anymore LOL" joking standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 Detroit was just like Toronto in the mid 90's. I feel the pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I agree. And I frankly just dont understand it. We always joke about it and all the Toronto posters have come to terms with it to where they can mock it as easily as they can be frustrated by it. But Torontos snowfall the last several years has been WAY below what they should get, and it makes no sense, ESPECIALLY when places in every direction from them have been getting way MORE than their climo would dictate. We all know theres REALLY no such thing as a curse, and there hasnt been some sort of explosion or something that has changed the topography of Toronto. So WHY is this happening? And Im asking that from a meteorological standpoint, not a "it doesnt snow in Toronto anymore LOL" joking standpoint. If I had to be honest about it, it's just bad luck. There's nothing I can think of that would be responsible for (pending the outcome of this season) giving us 3 of our least snowiest winters in 4 years. The suburbs are sprawling outwards, so that might be increasing the extent of the heat island effect. But our troubles with snow haven't really been microscale like that. It's mostly been due to the avoidance of large scale synoptic systems. Aside from plain bad luck, I can't come up with another explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Detroit was just like Toronto in the mid 90's. I feel the pain. Meh that was different. The mid-1990s was a generally crappy period for the region in general. Outside of the Chicago to Detroit snowhole of 1995-96 when all directions NSEW were getting slammed and we were high (cold) and dry, its not as if Detroit was repeatedly getting hosed when other places werent. If you are sharing the misery, thats one thing. Its that Torontos misery (2011-12 notwithstanding) has enjoyed hardly any company. If it happens one winter, chalk it up to bad luck. Two winters? ummm, wtf is going on? But what Torontos been going through has no logical explanation, and for a climo buff like me its fascinating, in a deranged way of course. I do not enjoy seeing my Toronto snow friends suffer, but it truly is like one of the wonders of the unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 If I had to be honest about it, it's just bad luck. There's nothing I can think of that would be responsible for (pending the outcome of this season) giving us 3 of our least snowiest winters in 4 years. The suburbs are sprawling outwards, so that might be increasing the extent of the heat island effect. But our troubles with snow haven't really been microscale like that. It's mostly been due to the avoidance of large scale synoptic systems. Aside from plain bad luck, I can't come up with another explanation. I am a certain believer in UHI, but it really shouldnt affect snow. I wont lie, I do not want to sacrifice any of my snow for you , but I mean it sincerely when I say I hope you get socked this winter. There is no explanation as you said...which means it WILL change, you just have to hope its sooner not later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 Meh that was different. The mid-1990s was a generally crappy period for the region in general. Outside of the Chicago to Detroit snowhole of 1995-96 when all directions NSEW were getting slammed and we were high (cold) and dry, its not as if Detroit was repeatedly getting hosed when other places werent. If you are sharing the misery, thats one thing. Its that Torontos misery (2011-12 notwithstanding) has enjoyed hardly any company. If it happens one winter, chalk it up to bad luck. Two winters? ummm, wtf is going on? But what Torontos been going through has no logical explanation, and for a climo buff like me its fascinating, in a deranged way of course. I do not enjoy seeing my Toronto snow friends suffer, but it truly is like one of the wonders of the unknown. I remember giving up on winters back then. Every storm missed it seemed like. Jan 92 11" storm. Them it was the 2 day event in early jan 94 that reached 10".... then nothing till jan 99. How do u not remember the utter garbage that was winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I remember giving up on winters back then. Every storm missed it seemed like. Jan 92 11" storm. Them it was the 2 day event in early jan 94 that reached 10".... then nothing till jan 99. How do u not remember the utter garbage that was winter. Oh make no mistake...I remember it clearly. My only point was that we had crappy winters but so did most of the region....Torontos plight is taking place in a time when most of the region is seeing much snowier than normal winters. In the 1990s, I thought a 6" snowstorm was huge. And anytime the snowdepth eclipsed 5", I thought it was deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 Oh make no mistake...I remember it clearly. My only point was that we had crappy winters but so did most of the region....Torontos plight is taking place in a time when most of the region is seeing much snowier than normal winters. In the 1990s, I thought a 6" snowstorm was huge. And anytime the snowdepth eclipsed 5", I thought it was deep Do you remember when the Mayor of Detroit wanted to save money for the city so he decided to cut back on snow removal equipment in summer of 98. Says we don't need all this equipment cuz it doesn't snow that much in Detroit? then jan 99 happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathergy Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Everyone around me got their first inch of snow except me. I see this winter wants to test my patience once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Everyone around me got their first inch of snow except me. I see this winter wants to test my patience once again. We didn't get a full inch on the East side either. I'd say more like .75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 We didn't get a full inch on the East side either. I'd say more like .75" Left my house in the mid afternoon to snow covered roads people driving 25-30mph down 32 mile rd. I had to get to 9 mile/Van Dyke. Pretty depressing how much of a non-event it was down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Left my house in the mid afternoon to snow covered roads people driving 25-30mph down 32 mile rd. I had to get to 9 mile/Van Dyke. Pretty depressing how much of a non-event it was down there. Southern Macomb County is like that a lot, it has been a while since Southern Macomb County was the jackpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Southern Macomb County is like that a lot, it has been a while since Southern Macomb County was the jackpot. January 22, 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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