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Stuffing and Snow - Late November Banter and Obs


HoarfrostHubb

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But it's all relative, the anomalies present at the airports should translate well to areas away from the airport. No one was talking about temperatures in absolute terms.

Speaking of this. I was wondering if my thermometer is off or I have better radiation here than the airport. I've been consistently 5 degrees colder at night. I thought maybe the the higher elevations closer to my SE are draining into my lower elevation location. I'm about 100 ft lower than the airport, too.

Yes. This concept get failed upon a lot of times.

Also, LL is bringing up ORH when he specifically mentioned BOS in his post I quoted, lol.

If anything, I would think the good radiational cooling stations this month are doing colder relative to normal than a site like ORH because we've had a disproportionately high number of perfect radiational cooling nights. CAD setups or strong CAA setups is where ORH will put up the impressive cold anomalies...we haven't really had much of that this month.

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Yes. This concept get failed upon a lot of times.

Also, LL is bringing up ORH when he specifically mentioned BOS in his post I quoted, lol.

If anything, I would think the good radiational cooling stations this month are doing colder relative to normal than a site like ORH because we've had a disproportionately high number of perfect radiational cooling nights. CAD setups or strong CAA setups is where ORH will put up the impressive cold anomalies...we haven't really had much of that this month.

I only brought up orh in quoting Steves post that none of the big 4 would be close to -1 for the month. lol.

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I only brought up orh in quoting Steves post that none of the big 4 would be close to -1 for the month. lol.

Oh I see...that is fair.

I think ORH has a good chance to finish colder than -1 for the month though. The other stations are pretty much a guaranteed lock to finish colder than -1...probably some -2 to -3 readings in there. Especially the local torch station that is BDR.

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I am not forgetting anything, its been a steady cold month, I am already 1/3 of the way to my average snowfall there is nothing really to argue. My only point was the ridiculously cold departures from early in the month would level out, they have but that's to be expected as its harder to influence the average temp as the month goes on and obviously even some of these -1 to -5 days have brought down the mean.

Its been a cold and snowy month here, end of story

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In my opinion anything over -2 is a solid cold month, anything over -4 is extremely impressive and the same goes on the positive side. I think it had been so warm for so long that finally getting a below normal month, with a stretch of cold cloudy days and northeast winds really felt cold compared to where we had been.

I just hope we can take advantage of a favorable pattern during the middle of December, and that Christmas does not torch.

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Alright, alright, you can take the cap off your 1 post /day limit about 2010. lol

I just don't want our expectations high because of this logical fallacy:

December 2010 had an inland track and then a coastal storm so December 2012 will have a coastal storm because it will have an inland track before it.

This statement is not true, even though we say things like this all the time in long range. You can see from the Roundy maps how this setup looks much different than 2010 beyond the cutter; and as you said, there is no summertime ridge coming from Greenland haha.

Man there was just something about those Decembers and you could see the KU storm coming a mile away. Heck you didn't even have to look at much. There are just some things (albeit a few) missing from this upcoming period for me, anway, to make an extreme call like that.. but it's close.

Agreed. Just talking about those months can send the wrong message to some folks. and I'm certainly not expecting another boxing day blizzard anytime soon, let alone this month.. you know how I feel about that storm. All one has to do is peak at the trop pacific/expected mjo activity versus 2010 and there is already a blaring difference, hence the Roundy maps..

Those were certainly special times, particularly 2009-2010 was obvious from a KU standpoint.

Got stuck in lower manhattan at evening rush hour. It took an hour to move 3 blocks....lol.

Frosty Princeton morning in the woods here.

Remember folks, it's 11/20.

A nice reminder. Living in the medium range every day, I could have sworn it was the end of Novy in my head.

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You think some towns could see an inch or 2?

I think any of us in SNE will be lucky to see a flake or two. It looks a lot drier in the low/mid-levels than it did a coupel days ago. I'm sure the upslope areas around Mitch in W MA will see some flakes.

We'll need to see it trend back sharper/deeper with the ULL and moisten up the lower 6 or 7k feet if we want more widespread snow showers.

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laugh.png I'm kidding around. Dam good games.

No doubt about it. I applaud your perspective there though, not sure I would have been as good a sport if on the losing end of those hard fought games. then again, a 3 superbowl dynasty in the 2000s is a nice thing to fall back on! Without the recent run I would only have bill parcells and phil simms when i was in a diaper to fall back on

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No doubt about it. I applaud your perspective there though, not sure I would have been as good a sport if on the losing end of those hard fought games. then again, a 3 superbowl dynasty in the 2000s is a nice thing to fall back on! Without the recent run I would only have bill parcells and phil simms when i was in a diaper to fall back on

Well it came down to a couple of plays that you guys made and we couldn't. It's football and with one and done games...you have to bring your A-game. 2008 SB was more frustrating for me..lol.

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Strong arctic push/ low level moisture/ instability esp wit time of year. Just think We see some snow showers and squalls around Sat Pm and eve

We are going to need to see WINDEX parameters improve a lot between now and then to expect more thna a stray flake or three.

The lapse rates are decent, but we lack good lifting mechanism and moisture.

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