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E PA/NJ/DE/NE MD: Banter/Non Storm OBS thread


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I know I'm waay late to the party but I was driving on Rt. 38 yesterday by chance and hit that hail core near Mount Laurel. The hail was pea sized but plentiful. Pretty cool convection yesterday!

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thi pacific december pattern is wretched...

Right now I'm listening to WHO radio in Des Moines and I have all the Iowa webcams up and running. Considering our lack of snow, I'll just have to enjoy a virtual blizzard from a distance. Looks like their biggest storm since 1996, so it is interesting to watch.

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Right now I'm listening to WHO radio in Des Moines and I have all the Iowa webcams up and running. Considering our lack of snow, I'll just have to enjoy a virtual blizzard from a distance. Looks like their biggest storm since 1996, so it is interesting to watch.

ive been to iowa before. What a boring state.... lol. But good for them. Somebody has to cash in.

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I don't think our area gets a ton of snow in December. Isn't the average pretty measly? I realize we cashed in with storms in 2010 and 2011, but that was the exception, not the rule. I think PHL should expect little (if any) snow in December and pray the pattern is improved by January. You just have to hope this isn't a winter where the cold and snow is always ten days away.

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I don't think our area gets a ton of snow in December. Isn't the average pretty measly? I realize we cashed in with storms in 2010 and 2011, but that was the exception, not the rule. I think PHL should expect little (if any) snow in December and pray the pattern is improved by January. You just have to hope this isn't a winter where the cold and snow is always ten days away.

I did a writeup about December snow setting the "trend" for winter this last week. 5"+ by 12/31 typically yields a good winter...not always the case but it happens that way more often than not.

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I did a writeup about December snow setting the "trend" for winter this last week. 5"+ by 12/31 typically yields a good winter...not always the case but it happens that way more often than not.

Nice article. What I gather from it is that, if we receive no snow (or a trace) in December, we have about a 30% chance of hitting our average snowfall (and I use the term "average" loosely)? Pretty poor chances, overall, but it certainly makes sense. Obviously bigger snows in December count more significantly to the average, so it takes less throughout the winter to hit the average after.

I find this amusing, though, because just from anecdotal evidence, I always found October snow to result in pretty low snowfall through the rest of the winter. I think there is some correlation there.

I have to wonder if snowfall in our area runs more cyclical based on how much the snow varies from year to year. Has there ever been a period when we've hit out "average" say five years in a row? I've learned pretty quickly to go elsewhere if I want snow--somewhere that sees snow much more consistently than PHL. There are just way too many variables to account for on the coastal plain.

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Nice article. What I gather from it is that, if we receive no snow (or a trace) in December, we have about a 30% chance of hitting our average snowfall (and I use the term "average" loosely)? Pretty poor chances, overall, but it certainly makes sense. Obviously bigger snows in December count more significantly to the average, so it takes less throughout the winter to hit the average after.

I find this amusing, though, because just from anecdotal evidence, I always found October snow to result in pretty low snowfall through the rest of the winter. I think there is some correlation there.

I have to wonder if snowfall in our area runs more cyclical based on how much the snow varies from year to year. Has there ever been a period when we've hit out "average" say five years in a row? I've learned pretty quickly to go elsewhere if I want snow--somewhere that sees snow much more consistently than PHL. There are just way too many variables to account for on the coastal plain.

Thanks! Answering your question, the closest since the '70's was 83-84 to 87-88: 21.6, 16.5, 16.4, 25.7, 15.0.

The other decent stretch of five where things were consistent was 61-62 to 65-66: 29.2, 20.5, 32.9, 26.2, 27.4 (there was a 49.1 before that and a 44.3 after that).

Most winters in most locations, even in the Midwest, are variable to an extent but a place like Minneapolis has an average of 45 so a "bad" winter there is 25 while a big winter would be in the 70's or 80's for snow...but even there winter-to-winter would bounce around a fair amount (25 one winter, 67 the next, 44 the third, 58 the fourth).

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February 23 1994. Low tracked into the Lakes, however there was strong CAD in our area from a pretty strong HP. There was barely even a redeveloping low. Precip overrode the cold that was in place, it dumped a few inches of snow in our parts before changing to rain I guess.

I see a lot of similarities with how that storm looks at 500mb and the potential pattern for Dec 28 storm.

Check it out. Just showing an example of how we can get snow even with a low that tracks far into the Lakes. Even if it's just a front-end dump.

http://www.raymondcm.../23-Feb-94.html

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February 23 1994. Low tracked into the Lakes, however there was strong CAD in our area from a pretty strong HP. There was barely even a redeveloping low. Precip overrode the cold that was in place, it dumped a few inches of snow in our parts before changing to rain I guess.

I see a lot of similarities with how that storm looks at 500mb and the potential pattern for Dec 28 storm.

Check it out. Just showing an example of how we can get snow even with a low that tracks far into the Lakes. Even if it's just a front-end dump.

http://www.raymondcm.../23-Feb-94.html

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issue their is, the high is a lot stronger and in a better spot than this coming storm as modeled now. It has a 1036 high.

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