GL/MW/OV December 2010 disco thread PART II

[Chicago WX]

LAF unofficially up to 3rd place for snowiest December, after seeing the final storm total reports.

1) 25.5"...1929

2) 24.0"...1983

3) 21.8"...2010

4) 21.6"...1973

5) 20.8"...1914

6) 20.5"...1977

7) 20.3"...1909

8) 17.5"...2000

9) 17.3"...1934

10) 15.5"...2007

[Chicago WX]

Nice write up from MKX about what could transpire the rest of this winter (about Ninas following Ninos), which has been recently updated.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=mkx&storyid=56356&source=0

A few bullet points:

-For Milwaukee temperatures, history shows that December and January readings are near normal with readings about 2-4 degrees below normal in February and March.

-For precipitation, there is a tendency for above normal amounts with the exception of December.

-For snowfall, there is a strong tendency for above normal snowfall, especially in March.

[Stebo]

Nice write up from MKX about what could transpire the rest of this winter (about Ninas following Ninos), which has been recently updated.

http://www.crh.noaa....=56356&source=0

A few bullet points:

-For Milwaukee temperatures, history shows that December and January readings are near normal with readings about 2-4 degrees below normal in February and March.

-For precipitation, there is a tendency for above normal amounts with the exception of December.

-For snowfall, there is a strong tendency for above normal snowfall, especially in March.

Interesting holds hope for those of us who have gotten the shaft so far this winter

[Chicago WX]

Interesting holds hope for those of us who have gotten the shaft so far this winter

Let's hope what they've researched comes to fruition for the "less snowed upon" so far this winter.

[cyclone77]

Had a few flurries here today, but other than that it was an overcast and relatively mild day. Temps hovered around 30 all day. This makes for very good icicle making weather. With over a foot of snow on the rooftops, temps hovering just below freezing causes a slow melt of the rooftop snow cover from underneath. Most of the homes in the neighborhood tonight have very long icicles hanging off the eves. That combined with xmas lights makes for a pretty sweet looking scene.

The snow didn't melt/settle at all today surprisingly, so our snow depth still remains at 14 inches. It'll be interesting to see how much we lose of this by next weekend. It's not unusual for us to lose a deep snow pack around here during the winter. In fact, it almost always happens. Last winter season was very unusual in that we never melted below a few inches the whole winter. We failed to rise above 45 the entire winter last year, which is very unusual. A torch like what we have coming this weekend is actually pretty common around here this time of year.

[Chicago WX]

Had a few flurries here today, but other than that it was an overcast and relatively mild day. Temps hovered around 30 all day. This makes for very good icicle making weather. With over a foot of snow on the rooftops, temps hovering just below freezing causes a slow melt of the rooftop snow cover from underneath. Most of the homes in the neighborhood tonight have very long icicles hanging off the eves. That combined with xmas lights makes for a pretty sweet looking scene.

Some monster icicles here at my parent's house and throughout their neighborhood. I'm going to try to snap a few photos of them tomorrow. Also the ice buildup in the gutters is a bit troubling, alas, it won't be too long before that's not a problem.

[cyclone77]

...Also the ice buildup in the gutters is a bit troubling, alas, it won't be too long before that's not a problem.

Yeah even though there's a bunch of snow up there now, a week from now we'll hear the rain tapping on the roof LOL.

[Chicago Storm]

Friday, December 24th:

Hi: 32F

Lo: 27F

Overall Sky Conditions: Cloudy.

Max Wind Gust: 7MPH

Rainfall: 0.25"

Snowfall: 2.2"

Saturday, December 25th:

Hi: 32F

Lo: 22F

Overall Sky Conditions: Cloudy.

Max Wind Gust: 13MPH

Rainfall: 0.11"

Snowfall: 2.4"

[cyclone77]

A little OT for this region, but man is the RUC hitting Philly hard this evening during the Eagles/Vikings game. 1"/hr rates between 6-9pm CST. Still shows it ripping there at 9pm CST. This looks like it could be even more epic than the Pats/Bears game a few weeks ago. The RUC is slower than the NAM and GFS though, as they both move the heavier snows out of there a little earlier. Sure hope the RUC is right, because if it is this game is going to be highly entertaining to say the least!

[Chicago WX]

A little OT for this region, but man is the RUC hitting Philly hard this evening during the Eagles/Vikings game. 1"/hr rates between 6-9pm CST. Still shows it ripping there at 9pm CST. This looks like it could be even more epic than the Pats/Bears game a few weeks ago. The RUC is slower than the NAM and GFS though, as they both move the heavier snows out of there a little earlier. Sure hope the RUC is right, because if it is this game is going to be highly entertaining to say the least!

Looking at the 12z NAM and GFS, looks like Philly is riding the western fringe of the heaviest snows. RUC better score the coup.

[Chicago WX]

OT: Vikes-Eagles has been cancelled.

[michsnowfreak]

Interesting holds hope for those of us who have gotten the shaft so far this winter

Bill Deedler has been saying that since October. Winter will be back-loaded. He actually predicted a drier and likely below normal snowfall December. If average snowfall, above average snowcover, and below average temps is the worst month of the three that winter has to offer a snowlover, Ill take it in a HEARTBEAT!

In the end, Ive said it before and Ill say it again, this is not really the shaft lol (even though you did get a little less IYBY). Assuming DTW finishes at 9.3" snowfall for Dec, this is essentially very close to normal. The 1971-2000 avg snow is 11.1" for Dec, but that is thanks to some blockbuster Decembers particularly in the 1970s. The 130-year long-term December average is 8.9". Throw in the fact that we will be seeing twice the average number of days with 1"+ snowcover, and an entire winters worth of 5"+ snowcover days this month, and me thinks shaft = no.

[cyclone77]

OT: Vikes-Eagles has been cancelled.

Wow, that's a load of **** right there. Other teams had to play in it. Doesn't seem at all fair to me. I was really looking forward to that game too. :axe::axe:

[OhioValleyWx]

Around 2" in 8 waves of snow showers and flurries since yesterday morning. Then 1 wave of snow will = 8 inches or more along the East. Does not add up.

Josh

[michsnowfreak]

Around 2" in 8 waves of snow showers and flurries since yesterday morning. Then 1 wave of snow will = 8 inches or more along the East. Does not add up.

Josh

Its called climo. Winter weather is much more frequent here in the midwest/Lakes/OV, and we do get big snowstorms as well obviously. But when the ingredients go boom, the east coast can get a major snowstorm. This is their first snow of the year for most, and there is no more snow in the forecast. They can and usually do go weeks at a time in the winter without a flake. That does not happen here.

[Stevo6899]

Its been 2 weeks around here since we saw a snowflake. Were just sandwiched between hot blizzard spots year after year. Winter goes on

[OhioValleyWx]

Its called climo. Winter weather is much more frequent here in the midwest/Lakes/OV, and we do get big snowstorms as well obviously. But when the ingredients go boom, the east coast can get a major snowstorm. This is their first snow of the year for most, and there is no more snow in the forecast. They can and usually do go weeks at a time in the winter without a flake. That does not happen here.

I was being sarcastic. I know what happens, lol.

Josh

[michsnowfreak]

Its been 2 weeks around here since we saw a snowflake. Were just sandwiched between hot blizzard spots year after year. Winter goes on

Where have you been lol? There have been plenty of snowflakes in the last 2 weeks. After the December 12th snowstorm, snow has fallen on 9 out of the 14 days at DTW, Im sure the same in Macomb. Now that said, it has totaled only 1.4" in that time, so nothing to write home about. And dont be mistaken, I agree its time for a change. We are stuck on repeat, every day the white snow & slate-gray sly making the perfect wintry contrast. THAT I love. I also love how the snowpack has barely budged & the sun barely shown in the past 2 weeks. What I DON'T love, however, is the lack of any real action in 2 weeks (outside the surprise 12/22 snow, if you want to call that action). I want a change, I just dont want it to come at the expense of the snowpack.

As for year after year winter goes on, well that it does. And while Im crazy jealous of MN, Im actually happy for them too. No one in the northern half of the midwest had the right to complain about being screwed more than southern Minnesotans, up until Nov 2010. We saw the snowiest back-to-back winters on record at Detroit in 2007-08 & 2008-09 (as did Madison and Milwaukee), then as much as we complained last year, February was still one of the snowiest Februaries on record. Even this year we are well ahead of schedule with snowcover. It can be much, much, much, MUCH worse. Everyone always forgets climo

[size="3"]PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6)

                                         STATION:   DETROIT MI
                                         MONTH: 	DECEMBER
                                         YEAR:      2010
                                         LATITUDE:   42 13 N
                                         LONGITUDE:  83 20 W

 TEMPERATURE IN F:   	:PCPN:    SNOW:  WIND      :SUNSHINE: SKY 	:PK WND
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1   2   3   4   5  6A  6B    7    8   9   10  11  12  13   14  15   16   17  18
                            		12Z  AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD  WTR  SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX    SPD DR
================================================================================

1  34  26  30  -5  35   0    T  0.1    0 16.7 23 240   M    M  10 1      29 240
2  29  25  27  -7  38   0 0.01  0.2    T 12.6 22 220   M    M  10 1      26 220
3  36  27  32  -2  33   0 0.01  0.1    T  6.4 14 310   M    M   9 1      18 310
4  35  26  31  -2  34   0    T    T    0  7.4 18 330   M    M  10        25 330
5  30  23  27  -6  38   0    T    T    0 13.2 25 340   M    M   9        33 310
6  29  23  26  -7  39   0 0.01  0.3    T 14.0 23 330   M    M  10        39 290
7  29  20  25  -7  40   0    T    T    T 14.2 25 330   M    M   8        36 330
8  30  19  25  -7  40   0    T    T    T  8.6 15 270   M    M   9        18 290
9  29  15  22 -10  43   0 0.00  0.0    T  6.1 16 180   M    M   6        21 190
10  39  26  33   2  32   0 0.07  0.9    1 13.0 22 230   M    M   7 18 	26 220
11  41  22  32   1  33   0 0.08  0.0    T  5.8 13 120   M    M   8 18 	18 110
12  38  16  27  -3  38   0 0.94  6.3    T 11.2 23 340   M    M  10 129    35 350
13  16   9  13 -17  52   0    T    T    6 17.7 26 330   M    M   6 9      38 320
14  21   9  15 -15  50   0 0.00  0.0    6 13.6 22 320   M    M   3 8      33 320
15  25  13  19 -11  46   0 0.00  0.0    6  4.7 14 270   M    M   5 18 	17 260
16  26   6  16 -13  49   0    T    T    5  5.3 10 270   M    M   8 1      14 300
17  28  15  22  -7  43   0    T    T    5 10.9 20 240   M    M   8 1      25 250
18  21  10  16 -13  49   0    T    T    5 11.5 18 200   M    M   8 18 	21 200
19  25  18  22  -6  43   0 0.01  0.2    5  7.0 12 230   M    M  10 18 	15 240
20  31  22  27  -1  38   0 0.00  0.0    5  4.9 10 310   M    M   9 1      13 300
21  30  22  26  -2  39   0 0.00  0.0    5  3.5  8 110   M    M  10 18 	12 240
22  33  25  29   1  36   0 0.06  1.0    6  7.0 16 340   M    M   9 18 	22 330
23  32  29  31   4  34   0    T    T    5  9.2 20 340   M    M  10        26 350
24  29  25  27   0  38   0 0.00  0.0    5  5.8 12  10   M    M  10        15  30
25  30  24  27   0  38   0    T    T    5  8.0 20  20   M    M  10 18 	23  30

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[KokomoWX]

OT: Vikes-Eagles has been cancelled.

Wow, that's a load of **** right there. Other teams had to play in it. Doesn't seem at all fair to me. I was really looking forward to that game too. :axe::axe:

I think they were worried about people getting home after the game. It would have been fun to see however.

[michsnowfreak]

I think they were worried about people getting home after the game. It would have been fun to see however.

Philly isnt getting hit NEARLY as hard as NYC. They probably will end up with 8 inches or less, yes thats a big snowstorm, but nothing to stop the game, seeing how many other teams have had to play in snowstorms in the past.

[TheWeatherPimp]

We just put our county (Darke County, Ohio) under a Level 1 Snow Emergency. Only have about 6 inches of snow on the ground, but the 20-30 mph winds are killing us. Whiteout conditions in rural areas and significant blowing and drifting taking places on most county and township roads.

[OhioValleyWx]

We just put our county (Darke County, Ohio) under a Level 1 Snow Emergency. Only have about 6 inches of snow on the ground, but the 20-30 mph winds are killing us. Whiteout conditions in rural areas and significant blowing and drifting taking places on most county and township roads.

Yeah down this way it is windy with a bit of obstruction. Like I said earlier we have gotten around 2 total inches since Saturday morning with 8 to 9 waves of snow flurries and snow showers. Amazing the difference between open or rural areas and closer to a metropolitan area.

Josh

[TheWeatherPimp]

Yeah down this way it is windy with a bit of obstruction. Like I said earlier we have gotten around 2 total inches since Saturday morning with 8 to 9 waves of snow flurries and snow showers. Amazing the difference between open or rural areas and closer to a metropolitan area.

Josh

My full time job is with the Darke County Sheriff's Office, so its been a busy night, wrecks and slideoffs everywhere. I just got done doing an interview with Channel 7 for the 11 pm news.

[Madmaxweather]

Where do we go from here? Does the warmup that is coming at the end of the week signal a pattern change or will it be brief in nature? It does look like cold will return Monday but for how long behind that? Many were on the boat of a warm January but some people are questioning that now? Thoughts????

[Stevo6899]

Where have you been lol? There have been plenty of snowflakes in the last 2 weeks. After the December 12th snowstorm, snow has fallen on 9 out of the 14 days at DTW, Im sure the same in Macomb. Now that said, it has totaled only 1.4" in that time, so nothing to write home about. And dont be mistaken, I agree its time for a change. We are stuck on repeat, every day the white snow & slate-gray sly making the perfect wintry contrast. THAT I love. I also love how the snowpack has barely budged & the sun barely shown in the past 2 weeks. What I DON'T love, however, is the lack of any real action in 2 weeks (outside the surprise 12/22 snow, if you want to call that action). I want a change, I just dont want it to come at the expense of the snowpack.

[/size]

Yes it has snowed but just light stuff. I still wonder why blizzards happen in Iowa, Minny,and Wisconsin dumping up to 24 inches, and the same goes for the east coast. We are stuck in the middle with 6-8 snows. Don't get me wrong I'll take more frequent 6-8 snow than just a once a month 24 inch snowstorm. Also I'll take our location over the east coast for the main reason that they lose their snow quicker as they are more vulnerable to torches (especially in la ninas). The best is Minny because their 40 inches will stick around for awhile as they are less likely to torch. But a bomb every once in awhile in the indy, st louis, fort wayne, cleveland, toledo, and detroit corridor would be nice. Last year iowa and minny had a blizzard and the midatlantic had 3. New England missed out last year and now they have this current noreaster. What do we have? A 2 week old snow cover (almost as bad as eating a 2 week old loaf of bread). When we do get an active period of storms in the midwest, there is a block to our north that moves storms just to our SE. I am not complaining, but just wondering why we dont see storms take the texas to columbus track or say a nashville to lake erie track. These tracks bring the best snows because of the gulf moisture. We see storms shoot NE from texas to minny and say florida to maine so often. It's almost like we need a secondary to develop to force the origin of the low further east. Strong storms dont make it far enough east before they go negative tilt and head north. I guess it's just the way systems track and I need to accept the fact that it's geographically unlikely where I live.

[OhioValleyWx]

My full time job is with the Darke County Sheriff's Office, so its been a busy night, wrecks and slideoffs everywhere. I just got done doing an interview with Channel 7 for the 11 pm news.

Interesting. You being in that field, you get a better read on accidents but I am mildly surprised at the numerous amounts of accidents occurring. I would almost think being in a more open area drivers would be more "sensible" to the conditions. Gut instinct tells me some drivers are going too fast and not realizing some of the blowing snow that comes across the roads and has a lax approach.

Josh

[michsnowfreak]

Yes it has snowed but just light stuff. I still wonder why blizzards happen in Iowa, Minny,and Wisconsin dumping up to 24 inches, and the same goes for the east coast. We are stuck in the middle with 6-8 snows. Don't get me wrong I'll take more frequent 6-8 snow than just a once a month 24 inch snowstorm. Also I'll take our location over the east coast for the main reason that they lose their snow quicker as they are more vulnerable to torches (especially in la ninas). The best is Minny because their 40 inches will stick around for awhile as they are less likely to torch. But a bomb every once in awhile in the indy, st louis, fort wayne, cleveland, toledo, and detroit corridor would be nice. Last year iowa and minny had a blizzard and the midatlantic had 3. New England missed out last year and now they have this current noreaster. What do we have? A 2 week old snow cover (almost as bad as eating a 2 week old loaf of bread). When we do get an active period of storms in the midwest, there is a block to our north that moves storms just to our SE. I am not complaining, but just wondering why we dont see storms take the texas to columbus track or say a nashville to lake erie track. These tracks bring the best snows because of the gulf moisture. We see storms shoot NE from texas to minny and say florida to maine so often. It's almost like we need a secondary to develop to force the origin of the low further east. Strong storms dont make it far enough east before they go negative tilt and head north. I guess it's just the way systems track and I need to accept the fact that it's geographically unlikely where I live.

Yes, 6-8" snowstorms are our bread and butter. We had our golden storm track perfected in 2007-08 & 2008-09, and yet what we ended up with was a parade of 6-10" snowstorms with some 12"-14" lollipops. Our biggest problem is moisture. However, bombs CAN happen. The last 12"+ storm at DTW was Jan 22, 2005, the last 18"+ storm was Dec 1, 1974. One thing we have on our side is the La Nina. IF it behaves, the chances of us getting a bomb are MUCH higher than in a typical year somewhere in our section of the Lakes. I like to use Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland as a base. Some, hopefully all, of that corridor is bound to get slammed with a La Nina storm that will probably surpass our typical 6-12" storm. So far, the biggest snowstorm this season is; DTW: 6.3", CLE: 5.3", ORD: 5.1", MKE: 3.6".

Its coming. Feel free to bump this in April, whether its to give me kudos or feed me crow.

[daddylonglegs]

This is a huge problem around here right now...this rain isn't going to help

[Stevo6899]

Yes, 6-8" snowstorms are our bread and butter. We had our golden storm track perfected in 2007-08 & 2008-09, and yet what we ended up with was a parade of 6-10" snowstorms with some 12"-14" lollipops. Our biggest problem is moisture. However, bombs CAN happen. The last 12"+ storm at DTW was Jan 22, 2005, the last 18"+ storm was Dec 1, 1974. One thing we have on our side is the La Nina. IF it behaves, the chances of us getting a bomb are MUCH higher than in a typical year somewhere in our section of the Lakes. I like to use Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland as a base. Some, hopefully all, of that corridor is bound to get slammed with a La Nina storm that will probably surpass our typical 6-12" storm. So far, the biggest snowstorm this season is; DTW: 6.3", CLE: 5.3", ORD: 5.1", MKE: 3.6".

Its coming. Feel free to bump this in April, whether its to give me kudos or feed me crow.

Dec 19th 2009 we got 15 inches here in macomb township. It was a simple west to east storm with no phasing. Dont know what the enso was that year. All of this phasing stuff requires too much to go right. I hope we just get big storms crossing the country. I hope you are right.

[michsnowfreak]

Dec 19th 2009 we got 15 inches here in macomb township. It was a simple west to east storm with no phasing. Dont know what the enso was that year. All of this phasing stuff requires too much to go right. I hope we just get big storms crossing the country. I hope you are right.

Probably thinking Dec 19, 2008. We "only" got 8.2" as we had some sleet and a bit of dryslot. Picked up 6" of that in the first 3 hours of the event, complete with thundersnow.