DeltaPilot Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I read a lot of blogs and today something came up that I'd like vetted. Fact checked if you will. I know there are a lot of folks here who follow history MUCH closer than i do and Im not sure where to go to check this sort of thing. It has to do with the following statement in a thread in which the dreaded Global Warming topic is being thrown around. Dont want to debate THAT, just would like to know whether THIS quote is true or not....Im particularly interested in the second paragraph and the "three storms" claim. "In terms of storms the United States hasn't been hit by a Cat 3 or better since Wilma; seven years of time have passed. If human-caused "Glo-bull" warming is responsible for more and more-furious storms, where are they? Missing, that's where. Mayor Bloomberg intentionally forgets that in the 1950s three successive storms in one year's time hit the east coast and each of them individually did far more damage than Sandy. Yet the 1950s were well before the alleged "explosion" in man-caused Glo-Bull warming took place." Any help here is MUCH appreciated. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner587 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I read a lot of blogs and today something came up that I'd like vetted. Fact checked if you will. I know there are a lot of folks here who follow history MUCH closer than i do and Im not sure where to go to check this sort of thing. It has to do with the following statement in a thread in which the dreaded Global Warming topic is being thrown around. Dont want to debate THAT, just would like to know whether THIS quote is true or not....Im particularly interested in the second paragraph and the "three storms" claim. "In terms of storms the United States hasn't been hit by a Cat 3 or better since Wilma; seven years of time have passed. If human-caused "Glo-bull" warming is responsible for more and more-furious storms, where are they? Missing, that's where. Mayor Bloomberg intentionally forgets that in the 1950s three successive storms in one year's time hit the east coast and each of them individually did far more damage than Sandy. Yet the 1950s were well before the alleged "explosion" in man-caused Glo-Bull warming took place." Any help here is MUCH appreciated. Thanks! Ya no way that the three storms (edna, carol and hazol I assume) each individually caused more damage than sandy. Whoever wrote that must be ignoring facts. It's possible hazel did but I doubt it. Where did you find that post? Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Ya no way that the three storms (edna, carol and hazol I assume) each individually caused more damage than sandy. Whoever wrote that must be ignoring facts. It's possible hazel did but I doubt it. Where did you find that post? Link? there was Connie and Dianne in 1955 that caused major flooding in upstate NY and other places... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaPilot Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 Its on a blog/forum I read called market Ticker Forums. I'd rather not be involved in any argument there. The owner there is pretty strict and dissenting opinions are not tolerated well. I frequent that forum for a lot of OTHER reasons. You can find the topic in the Market Ticker threads under a topic titled Energy, Glo-Bull Warming and Sandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Mayor Bloomberg intentionally forgets that in the 1950s three successive storms in one year's time hit the east coast and each of them individually did far more damage than Sandy. The source of that information is wrong. See page 11 (or page 13 of the .pdf) for costs in 2010 dollars. If Sandy's costs come in around $20 billion (or more), Sandy's costs will be greater than the total for Floyd (1999) and Diane (1955), the two costliest Mid-Atlantic and New England storms. Only Carol (1954) makes the list of 30 most costly storms (inflation-adjusted dollars) and Sandy's damage was likely a multiple of Carol's. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/nws-nhc-6.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaPilot Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 Thanks Don, knew I could find excellent sources and data here. Appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Joe B thinks we are in a 1950's pattern...Are we getting the same kind of weather as back then?...Last year's October snowstorm, Sandy and todays noreaster are the biggest storms we have seen in the last two years...The early to mid 1950's had their share of early season noreasters and major storms...Here is a list of storms giving NYC at least an inch of rain...Not counting the November bomb near Thanksgiving 1950... 1953 had one 10/28 and 11/6...1951, 54 and 55 had two each...1950 had two counting the late November bomb... 10/28/1953... 10/29/1954... 10/30/1955... 10/31/1956... 11/02/1954...T snow/ip 11/03/1951...T snow/ip 11/04/1950... 11/04/1955... 11/06/1953...2-4" of snow... 11/08/1951... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBG Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Mayor Bloomberg intentionally forgets that in the 1950s three successive storms in one year's time hit the east coast and each of them individually did far more damage than Sandy. Yet the 1950s were well before the alleged "explosion" in man-caused Glo-Bull warming took place." Any help here is MUCH appreciated. Thanks! And with reference to summer heat, many keep forgetting that the summers of 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955 and 1957 featured 100+ temperatures. The past, frankly, is often prologue. Joe B thinks we are in a 1950's pattern...Are we getting the same kind of weather as back then?...Last year's October snowstorm, Sandy and todays noreaster are the biggest storms we have seen in the last two years...The early to mid 1950's had their share of early season noreasters and major storms...Here is a list of storms giving NYC at least an inch of rain...Not counting the November bomb near Thanksgiving 1950... 1953 had one 10/28 and 11/6...1951, 54 and 55 had two each...1950 had two counting the late November bomb... 10/28/1953... 10/29/1954... 10/30/1955... 10/31/1956... 11/02/1954...T snow/ip 11/03/1951...T snow/ip 11/04/1950... 11/04/1955... 11/06/1953...2-4" of snow... 11/08/1951... See above. Much as I think Joe B is a charlatan I think he's onto something here. Joe D'Aleo would call it "cold phase PDO." And that list of October/November storms in the 1950's omits 1952, which had the earliest and until last October biggest October accumulating snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormwarn Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 While not a 50s storm, the Ash Webnesday storm of 1962 was considered to be in the top 10 at the time. I apologize for being off topic, thought this was interesting. Some links... http://www.strathmere.net/1962-2.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday_Storm_of_1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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