MJO812 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 People are freaking out there, they feel like they've been forgotten. Death toll is certainly going to go up from this. My friend had 7 feet of water in his yard and his finished basement got demolished. He had so much water and sand in it. Really sad. I heard that this was the deadliest storm in over 40 years for NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I've heard nothing about Newark. What is going on there? Still 90% w/o power? Gonna' get colder as the weekend comes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycsnow Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 In rockaway again today helping fam& friends & seeing houses burnt to the bricks is just idk I can't describe, all that's left is a few bricks & it's not 1 house but blocks full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 My friend had 7 feet of water in his yard and his finished basement got demolished. He had so much water and sand in it. Really sad. I heard that this was the deadliest storm in over 40 years for NYC. It gets crazier every time I watch the news or get online. There is a hundred miles of utter destruction. Sorry to hear about your house. I'm posting over here because I figure a lot of folks have no power and I want to give some updates about what I'm hearing on the major networks. It is nuts. When the complete picture is comprehended this will rival or perhaps surpass Katrina in everything but death toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 http://www.msnbc.msn...r/#.UJMQV81yQ00 Just got my data (mifi) going again. The port of NY/NJ remains mostly closed. The coast guard and Port Authority will allow 3 cruise ships which have been stranded out at sea, to dock in NYC tomorrow to discharge passengers. The berth they are going to in NYC is in bad shape and will be powered by generators. Cargo and tankers may be allowed in port the earliest on Sunday and NOOA and the USCG and army corps survey the channels for lose containers and other obstructions. Additionally, the ports in Elizabeth/Newark, Bayonne, SI, and Red Hook are in bad shape, all suffering extensive to major damage. There are power issues with no power on the NJ side in Bayonne, Elizabeth/Newark and security/safety issues as well. Many ships are already or will be diverted to Norfolk or Savannah and bypass NY. I can tell you any additional or further delays into next week will only add to the already fragile situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 My parents told me they heard 6-14 days from JCP and L, and they will be restoring areas with quote "higher population density" first..I feel like this is the end of the world. Pulling straws on who gets to be saved first. Absolute madness. Yeah they are restoring the lines that are gonna give power to the most people first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Hell, Zone B should have been evac'd too! I agree with that, but at least he could have done that on Sunday after Zone A was issued on Saturday, so you have an orderly evacuation & not a mass exodus. Not that many would have listened anyway, but I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Odd how the media is focusing on certain spots, though perhaps not surprising. I'm not suggesting a conspiracy or anything, but it is odd. SI is being ignored as is the north Jersey coast (Union Beach area, which also experienced devastating flooding, and cities like Sayreville) - unless I've missed it? Jersey City got some coverage but is simply without power - the structural damage is severe but no more severe than other areas. The Hoboken crisis has been covered to an extent. But SI and certain other parts of NJ, not so much. Still no power in a lot of Jersey City (doesn't get more densely populated than that...) and the gas situation is becoming dire. The lines are so long that very few can actually get gas. My dad last went to work Friday and hasn't been back in since because my mom's wheelchair battery is just about drained and she shouldn't be alone. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Odd how the media is focusing on certain spots, though perhaps not surprising. I'm not suggesting a conspiracy or anything, but it is odd. SI is being ignored as is the north Jersey coast (Union Beach area, which also experienced devastating flooding, and cities like Sayreville) - unless I've missed it? Jersey City got some coverage but is simply without power - the structural damage is severe but no more severe than other areas. The Hoboken crisis has been covered to an extent. But SI and certain other parts of NJ, not so much. Still no power in a lot of Jersey City (doesn't get more densely populated than that...) and the gas situation is becoming dire. The lines are so long that very few can actually get gas. My dad last went to work Friday and hasn't been back in since because my mom's wheelchair battery is just about drained and she shouldn't be alone. Ugh. News 12 NJ is a better station at a time like this. NY stations will generally focus on NY and don't care as much about NJ in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Jake, if your family needs help let me know. Dont have gas or batteries to offer lol, but if anyone needs a hand, maybe we should start a thread? Some of us that are only dealing w minor damage can lend a hand for a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 News 12 NJ is a better station at a time like this. NY stations will generally focus on NY and don't care as much about NJ in general. I have been listening to 101.5 while we had not internet and tv. Theyre doing a great job on covering the Jersey side of things. But I'll tell you reading through the obs thread here and some in the philly thread has the most info. Its good to be back online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 This was the ultimate track for NJ/NY coasts, and worst case scenario on par with the 1903 and 1821 type storms. The latter was a Cat 3 riding up the east coast, landfalling Cape May, 29ft surge on the NJ shore and 13ft at the Battery, as the low passed just SE of NYC. The transitioning of Sandy to a hybrid type storm made this much worse than most east coast hurricanes for our area due to the scope of hurricane force winds. And as noted the storm surge piles up to the NE of the center, which we were in. My parents told me they heard 6-14 days from JCP and L, and they will be restoring areas with quote "higher population density" first..I feel like this is the end of the world. Pulling straws on who gets to be saved first. Absolute madness. There is no way a storm that was inland since making landfall in NC was that strong in Jersey and NYC. Also, I'm going to call bs on the 29 ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser25973 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I just got back from walking downtown. A lot of smell of smoke in the air. Not sure what from. I've never seen Manhattan so quiet... so many people out on the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 There is no way a storm that was inland since making landfall in NC was that strong in Jersey and NYC. Also, I'm going to call bs on the 29 ft. Well, since it occurred in 1821 it's difficult to argue w/o synoptic maps. However, the storm pretty much hugged the coastline on its journey N/NNE, propagating over the Chese. Bay and the low lands of the Delmarva. Given it was September, water temps were probably fairly warm, and I can definitely see how it maintained intensity, especially considering a 35mph nwd movement. If the upper pattern was favorable as we saw with Sandy, that's more reason for it to maintain intensity. As for the 29ft, who knows on that one, but we do know if was likely the only major hurricane to directly strike New Jersey (since 1700 at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Well, since it occurred in 1821 it's difficult to argue w/o synoptic maps. However, the storm pretty much hugged the coastline on its journey N/NNE, propagating over the Chese. Bay and the low lands of the Delmarva. Given it was September, water temps were probably fairly warm, and I can definitely see how it maintained intensity, especially considering a 35mph nwd movement. If the upper pattern was favorable as we saw with Sandy, that's more reason for it to maintain intensity. As for the 29ft, who knows on that one, but we do know if was likely the only major hurricane to directly strike New Jersey. There's a big difference between maintaining intensity of a Cat 1 or strong TS through baroclinic assist than a Cat 3 or 4 doing the same. I'd probably feel differently if it were actually over the water...but that's a ton of time over land... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euripides Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Many have reason to be angry: (skip to 4:50) Has any of the media questioned Bloomberg about his press conference from Saturday? I remember the weather channel was baffled by his decision and said it on air and a few mets had tweets. Obviously some people would have not left no matter what was said but I really want to see reporters haunt him with this. Hell he did his usual crap on Tuesday that Broadway matinees will be open on Wednesday again. Meanwhile we all knew the city cannot handle that amount of traffic with no mass transit. Let alone have people driving all over from areas without power making intersections without traffic lights even more dangerous. For a man who has made a lot of money, he really lacks some basic common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I have been listening to 101.5 while we had not internet and tv. Theyre doing a great job on covering the Jersey side of things. But I'll tell you reading through the obs thread here and some in the philly thread has the most info. Its good to be back online. Yeah same here - was listening to it the first couple days w/o power, great station (even when power's on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 This was the first time that I ever lost power due to a storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Has any of the media questioned Bloomberg about his press conference from Saturday? I remember the weather channel were baffled by his decision on said it on air and a few mets had tweets. Obviously some people would have not left no matter what was said but I really want to see reporters haunt him with this. Hell he did his usual crap on Tuesday that Broadway matinees will be open on Wednesday again. Meanwhile we all knew the city cannot handle that amount of traffic with no mass transit. Let alone have people driving all over from areas without power making intersections without traffic lights even more dangerous. For a man who has made a lot of money, he really lacks some basic common sense. A lot of people with a lot of money lack common sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Last year with Irene we had patrol cars telling us to evacuate...This year there was no such warning...The water didn't come close to my block...I'm about 35ft above sea level near the Arthur Kill...That water way flooded also...If my house flooded it would have to be from a sunami... Your in Bullshead right unc? Im in Travis not far from the Arthur Kill but the water didnt seem to move very far east from the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Your in Bullshead right unc? Im in Travis not far from the Arthur Kill but the water didnt seem to move very far east from the river. I saw pictures of Port Richmond Ave and the Terrace where the water came up and under the train tressel...I'm guessing water flooded the wet lands near Models... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkiesFading Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I received about 7.5 to 8 feet of water in my basement (right up to the ceiling) from the storm surge on the Passaic River around 8PM on Monday night. About 7 or 8 houses around the corner from me have to be condemned as their foundations crumbled. The water came up so fast it was insane. It was our 2nd flood in 14 months (Irene being the other). We got power back on Tuesday, but still don't have heat or hot water. It sucks but it could be worse. I feel for all the people who have lost so much more. Watching the news gets overwhelming. It's hard to grasp the amount of destruction in NJ/NY. The gas shortage is concerning. I was able to fill up after waiting in line for 2 hours today. It was pure chaos. People's patience are starting to wear thin. It's gonna be a long time til things return to normal for millions of people. It's hard to wrap my head around the amount of devastation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I received about 7.5 to 8 feet of water in my basement (right up to the ceiling) from the storm surge on the Passaic River around 8PM on Monday night. About 7 or 8 houses around the corner from me have to be condemned as their foundations crumbled. The water came up so fast it was insane. It was our 2nd flood in 14 months (Irene being the other). We got power back on Tuesday, but still don't have heat or hot water. It sucks but it could be worse. I feel for all the people who have lost so much more. Watching the news gets overwhelming. It's hard to grasp the amount of destruction in NJ/NY. The gas shortage is concerning. I was able to fill up after waiting in line for 2 hours today. It was pure chaos. People's patience are starting to wear thin. It's gonna be a long time til things return to normal for millions of people. It's hard to wrap my head around the amount of devastation. I work in Lyndhurst on Park Ave, you know where; and there was close to 40" of water due to the surge and everything is an absolute mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Just curious, what's the height of your anemometer? I've got mine on a pole up at about 25' AGL as that's the best I could do w/o going to the roof. I also had a peak gust of 43mph, but my house is located NE of the station and there's a thin forest 50ft to the east with some very tall red oaks. NE and E are the worst directions for me in terms of recording high winds, unfortunately that's the wind direction we see with nor'easters/storms, so my biggest gusts have been coming with T-storms or NW flow CAA events. Its about 30 feet. I've attached a photo of it so you get the idea of the blockage it faces. NE and E are also its worst directions. Does best with SW wind. This is looking toward the east-northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 This never got transmitted (because the wind cut off communications lines, and in fact they are still out), but this goes as my favorite METAR from Sandy: METAR KTTN 300053Z AUTO 10042G59KT 3SM -RA BR OVC014 13/12 A2831 RMK AO2 PK WND 09059/0048 SLP582 P0001 T01330117 TSNO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkiesFading Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I work in Lyndhurst on Park Ave, you know where; and there was close to 40" of water due to the surge and everything is an absolute mess. It sure is. I can see Park Avenue out of my bedroom window. It's devastating as people had just finished repairs and rebuilding from Irene and now they have to rebuild all over again. When it became clear that rainfall wouldn't be an issue this time, I had hope the surge wouldn't make it this far up the river, but I guess that was just wishful thinking. Most of NJ is like a war zone. It's sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 It sure is. I can see Park Avenue out of my bedroom window. It's devastating as people had just finished repairs and rebuilding from Irene and now they have to rebuild all over again. When it became clear that rainfall wouldn't be an issue this time, I had hope the surge wouldn't make it this far up the river, but I guess that was just wishful thinking. Most of NJ is like a war zone. It's sickening. Had there ever been a recorded surge like with Sandy, coming so far up the river? I have to guess no. Philly set their surge record on the Delaware after the center moved inland and winds switched from northeast to south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkiesFading Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Had there ever been a recorded surge like with Sandy, coming so far up the river? I have to guess no. Philly set their surge record on the Delaware after the center moved inland and winds switched from northeast to south. I'm pretty sure the answer is no (certainly not in the last 50-60 years at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfsheepsheadbay Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 My friend had 7 feet of water in his yard and his finished basement got demolished. He had so much water and sand in it. Really sad. I heard that this was the deadliest storm in over 40 years for NYC. My mother-in-law's 8 feet of water was more like 8 feet of sewage. Horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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