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Late October/Early November disco and banter thread


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The thing to take notice of mid-month when Arctic Air drops into the NW CONUS and tornado outbreaks become a real possibility in the mid-section, is that there isn't an Alaskan Vortex. While the pattern becomes much warmer, the source is not from that awful feature that plagued us last winter.

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The thing to take notice of mid-month when Arctic Air drops into the NW CONUS and tornado outbreaks become a real possibility in the mid-section, is that there isn't an Alaskan Vortex. While the pattern becomes much warmer, the source is not from that awful feature that plagued us last winter.

The biggest factor we have going towards a positive winter, Hope is does not re appear

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The thing to take notice of mid-month when Arctic Air drops into the NW CONUS and tornado outbreaks become a real possibility in the mid-section, is that there isn't an Alaskan Vortex. While the pattern becomes much warmer, the source is not from that awful feature that plagued us last winter.

strongly hinted Indian Summer regardless of the source.

I'd like to see the ensemble mean step off the -NAO throttle a bit more than they are to allow those eastern CONUS heights to bounce back so much. Other than that, there is some relaxation in the NAO overall, so recovery appears likely. How much? Given the 30 month mean (or whatever the hell it was/is) to be above normal at least excuse imaginable ... I'm going to go ahead and cave to one way or the other having the anomaly distribution on the + side of neutral - ha. May not be entirely scientific, but it's tough to knock consistency.

There is a split in the AO domains wrt to it's younger siblings, the EPO and NAO. The AO has a pretty notable rise to about +1 or +1.5 SD, while these 60 and 70N bands are only elevating some - that tells me that the AO is likely the culprit in the latter's tendency to rise, in that they share some domain space. Point being ... EPO and NAO have block "tendency" maintained through period. Interesting. Despite a period of positive AO. That also appears transient btw -

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The biggest factor we have going towards a positive winter, Hope is does not re appear

I'm pretty sure we discussed this last year but fwiw - while bad in general to have that feature, because the standard R-wave, wave length tends to mean bad news for the E.C. of N/A ... yadda yadda yadda, there are times when the standard model breaks down and yields to local time scale perturbations.

That's dirty talk for scenarios when the wave lengths shorten a tad. Late Feb - early Apr can benefit from that vortex. But even in the heart of the cold season it doesn't absolutely preclude a decent event. example, if the EPO is positive (vortex from hell) and the NAO is tanked, you can pile up cold into Onatrio and bleed it for SWFE... Ice storms also increase in frequency.

It's just that last winter, not only was there a vortex from hell, but the NAO went to hell and fried along with it!

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I'm pretty sure we discussed this last year but fwiw - while bad in general to have that feature, because the standard R-wave, wave length tends to mean bad news for the E.C. of N/A ... yadda yadda yadda, there are times when the standard model breaks down and yields to local time scale perturbations.

That's dirty talk for scenarios when the wave lengths shorten a tad. Late Feb - early Apr can benefit from that vortex. But even in the heart of the cold season it doesn't absolutely preclude a decent event. example, if the EPO is positive (vortex from hell) and the NAO is tanked, you can pile up cold into Onatrio and bleed it for SWFE... Ice storms also increase in frequency.

It's just that last winter, not only was there a vortex from hell, but the NAO went to hell and fried all with it!

Yeah, The +NAO certainly did not help with the vortex over AK for the Northeast, If it does appear, Hopefully it stays far enough west and the Nao is somewhat negative

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Towns need time to get bulldozers in and make makeshift barriers with sand or debris anything to stop coastal flooding, this is just to soon. The couple seawalls that were here are destroyed along with most of the dunes, seeing video of complete destruction of dunes on long island and the jersey shore I just wish this thing would not happen period.

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Yeah he's very very close to losing it. His posts have take on a different tone. At least give it till Dec1

lol... well yeah I'm in one climate zone north so I have my freakouts if its not snowing by the end of November. Most of you in SNE have your biggest melt downs about a month later in December. It goes with climo... if its not snowing by mid/late December I've already given up while you guys are just starting your melt downs.

I know if its December 15th with no real snow or storms on the horizon, the SNE weenies will start to lose it ;)

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