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Someone did. Others (Amped, weatherMA) posted 952 and 948 at landfall.

Readings I gathered:

Landfall pressures:

12Z NAM ~955mb

6Z NAM ~950mb

12Z GFS ~947mb

6Z GFS ~950mb

Latest VDM (below) is extrap 960, and we are still >48hrs from landfall. Again, not trying to be a weenie, I'm just trying to understand the discrepancy and what it means. CSNavy and Turtlehurricane have raised the same question in the main thread.

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URNT12 KNHC 271655

VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL182012

A. 27/15:37:40Z

B. 29 deg 18 min N

075 deg 44 min W

C. 850 mb 1071 m

D. 40 kt

E. 064 deg 22 nm

F. 154 deg 52 kt

G. 066 deg 35 nm

H. EXTRAP 960 mb

I. 17 C / 1525 m

J. 24 C / 1532 m

K. 18 C / NA

L. NA

M. NA

N. 12345 / 8

O. 0.02 / 2 nm

P. AF302 1518A SANDY OB 14

MAX OUTBOUND AND MAX FL WIND 71 KT SW QUAD 16:11:00Z

SLP EXTRAP FROM 850 MB

SPIRAL BAND TSTMS NW SIDE OF CENTER

SONDE DATA UNAVAILABLE

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Just my opinion with a cane the stronger they are the better chance they can influence the environment/steering around them for a bit...with a big noreaster don't we usually say stronger storms tend to be left of modeling?

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LONG TERM /SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY/...

NOON UPDATE...

SUN AFTN HEADLINES...

* AFTER REVIEWING 12Z NAM AND GFS WE WILL LIKELY HOIST HIGH WIND

WATCHES THIS AFTERNOON FOR MON AND MON NIGHT FOR A LARGE PORTION

OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND.

* COASTAL FLOOD WATCH WILL LIKELY BE ISSUED THIS AFTERNOON FOR

MON/MON NIGHT FOR BOTH COASTS...ALL OF RI AND MA.

* FOR THE COASTAL WATERS STORM WATCHES WILL BE HOISTED THIS

AFTERNOON FOR MON/MON NIGHT. MORE LATER. THANKS FOR YOUR

PATIENCE. PREVIOUS DISCUSSION BELOW.

Let's see.......who will they leave out???? (I assume they are only referencing their CWA).

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Interesting..All the foreign models with a NE shift and US a smidge south. If the GGEM is NE...then i think we may have to consider the trend might be real

It's called model convergence, when the foreign models were generally the furthest SW and US models the furthest NE.

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Imagine the eye moving over BDR and Joe posting during it.

"Just cleared out...warm and sunny with a light breeze. Pulling out the oysters as I type. +15 on the day. BSE2 rolls on"

BFE LOL, seriously now he is not in a good spot, that predicted surge is already 2 feet higher than Irene I believe in BDR.

actually BDR had 4.4 in Irene

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Can a met clarify the discrepancy between Maue's hi-res maps and the ncep/raleigh maps for the surface pressure on the gfs? Is the 936mb from Maue's site correct?

After examining a number of text products for such locations as BLM, FRG, and JFK for the 12z GFS, the lowest figure I found was just under 952 mb. The higher pressure is probably the right one.

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NCEP:

BASED ON THE NAM BNDRY LAYER WIND ANALYSIS... THE MODEL HAS

INITIALIZED SANDY ABOUT 20 NM E OF THE OBSERVED 12Z POSN OF 28.8N

76.8W. THE NAM CNTRL PRESSURE IS ABOUT 10 MB HIGHER THAN

OBSERVED. THE GFS BNDRY LAYER WIND ANALYSIS COMPARES BETTER TO

OBSERVED POSN... THOUGH THE GFS CNTRL PRES IS 10-15 MB HIGHER THAN

OBSERVED.

THE NAM BRIEFLY RETURNS TO THE 15Z NHC TRACK DURING THE DAY SUN

AND THEN TRACKS THE SYSTEM FARTHER NWD THAN THE OFFICIAL TRACK

INTO MON NIGHT. FROM MON NIGHT THRU TUE THE NAM BRINGS THE SFC

LOW ASSOC WITH THE POST-TROPICAL/EXTRATROPICAL EVOLUTION OF SANDY

FARTHER WWD THAN MOST OTHER GUIDANCE OR NHC TRACK. THE NAM MID

LVL SYSTEM COMPARES SOMEWHAT BETTER TO CURRENT CLUSTERING BY THAT

PART OF THE FCST. THE GFS THE GFS STRAYS TO THE NE/N OF THE

OFFICIAL TRACK F36-60 LATE SUN-LATE MON... CURLING A LITTLE TO THE

W/S BY TUE. BY F84 LATE TUE THE GFS CLOSED LOW ALOFT IS A LITTLE

SEWD OF THE NAM. FOR MOST OF THE LAST 2 DAYS OF THE FCST THE GFS

IS ON THE STRONGER SIDE OF THE SPREAD WITH THE SFC LOW. CONSULT

LATEST NHC ADVISORIES/DISCUSSIONS FOR FURTHER INFO REGARDING SANDY

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Just my opinion with a cane the stronger they are the better chance they can influence the environment/steering around them for a bit...with a big noreaster don't we usually say stronger storms tend to be left of modeling?

Yep have learned that general rule. But that doesn't really explain why the big discrepancy (almost all models are 10-20mb too high for the next 12 hours) and whether that will continue (extrapolated would mean a 930s landfall vs. the ~950 that most models are showing now).

As you say, could impact our track if we are grossly under-forecasting the pressures.

But it also will significantly impact what we can expect with winds.

The main thread discussion has sort of hand-waved this off as "unchartered territory".

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Yep have learned that general rule. But that doesn't really explain why the big discrepancy (almost all models are 10-20mb too high for the next 12 hours) and whether that will continue (extrapolated would mean a 930s landfall vs. the ~950 that most models are showing now).

As you say, could impact our track if we are grossly under-forecasting the pressures.

But it also will significantly impact what we can expect with winds.

The main thread discussion has sort of hand-waved this off as "unchartered territory".

If you are not getting an answer from tropical dudes that is uncharted too.

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