MGorse Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Hi Everyone, This announcement was released back in August, however wanted to post it as the change is effective in early December. NWS Mount Holly is splitting three zones/counties in Southeastern Pennsylvania. These are Montgomery, Bucks and Chester counties. This has been in the works for over a year now and we are excited that it is nearly implementation time. There will also be some changes to the warning/advisory criteria for these new zones regarding snow and ice. The announcment that was sent out can be found at the link below. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/os/notification/scn12-28phi_zones.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Nice! Looking forward to the new zones. Great idea. West Side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslotted Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quakertown needs snow Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Upper needs snow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Hi Everyone, This announcement was released back in August, however wanted to post it as the change is effective in early December. NWS Mount Holly is splitting three zones/counties in Southeastern Pennsylvania. These are Montgomery, Bucks and Chester counties. This has been in the works for over a year now and we are excited that it is nearly implementation time. There will also be some changes to the warning/advisory criteria for these new zones regarding snow and ice. The announcment that was sent out can be found at the link below. http://www.nws.noaa....28phi_zones.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg ralls Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Fantastic! Is Route 363 pretty much the dividing line for Montgomery County? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Fantastic! Is Route 363 pretty much the dividing line for Montgomery County? That looks about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 That looks about right. very close -- by township. Lower Prov is western, West Norriton, Worcester, Upper Gwynedd, Lansdale, Montgomery Twp are eastern. Skippack and all townships NW of the ones I listed would constitute western. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 very close -- by township. Lower Prov is western, West Norriton, Worcester, Upper Gwynedd, Lansdale, Montgomery Twp are eastern. Skippack and all townships NW of the ones I listed would constitute western. Geographically it makes sense as you start to get some 400'+ elevations again in that western Mont. Co region. and it's obviously much less "urbanized". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike2010 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 And I thought you guys were finally sending us (Monroe County) to BGM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Mike Thanks. Needed from a S Chesco perspective. A little surpirsed that E/W is emphasized so strongly vs N/S. A couple miles W puts me in the next zone. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Very good much needed zone changes looks like north of lake galena begins the upper bucks zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 And I thought you guys were finally sending us (Monroe County) to BGM. That's not happening, in fact we are secretly occupying Pike County as I post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Maps showing the townships involved in the splitting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Nice, thanks Mike. I was hoping to see these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Montgomery split... Not sure why this is so much smaller. I will try to post a larger image. I posted too soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 I posted too soon... LOL. Larger map of Montgomery County has been posted above. Not sure why the other one posted so small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quakertown needs snow Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Nice Mike! Thanks. Maybe we need to split the forums to upper and lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wederwarrior Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 No love for Berks and Lehigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 No love for Berks and Lehigh? We care about you guys , however I do not think they need to be split at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Maybe we need to split the forums to upper and lower micro-sub forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Awesome maps. West-side 4LIFE!!! Or is it upper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Awesome maps. West-side 4LIFE!!! Or is it upper? Which one of us is Cube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Which one of us is Cube? Well, since Tombo and gregralls just moved into our hood, looks like me, you and JCT777 make up the Mont. Co Westside Connection. you-Cube......and a packers fan? thought it was the Raiders. (anything better than the Eagles). JCT-Mack 10.......no more Phillies, sorry JCT. me-WC......although I need to pack on about 75 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Maps showing the townships involved in the splitting... good Day MGorse, I a few questions. If this has already been discussed, excuse me. Was this more winter or summer for the split and reasons? Winter questions. Having lived in Unionville, PA ( 4 miles NW of Rt 842& 82 interchange) for a long time and Chadds Ford, PA for extended time period until I was 23(Chester County) A few questions about the grid for winter for this county. Your grid includes the Oxford area to upper Chester County for a section for western areas. How is this split in Winter for snow events? Drastic changes from rt 926 in western chester county near rt 41 & north compared to Oxford can occur with the right storm track. Bucks County - My father lives 4 Miles NW of Doylestown and seems to be in the SE Bucks Grid. how was this calculated. I have seen differences in snow totals from Doylestown to Bensalem/Yardely in the past for winter with the right storm track. I personally believe that with what occurred, you now must split future counties. Br, darkStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 good Day MGorse, I a few questions. If this has already been discussed, excuse me. Was this more winter or summer for the split and reasons? Winter questions. Having lived in Unionville, PA ( 4 miles NW of Rt 842& 82 interchange) for a long time and Chadds Ford, PA for extended time period until I was 23(Chester County) A few questions about the grid for winter for this county. Your grid includes the Oxford area to upper Chester County for a section for western areas. How is this split in Winter for snow events? Drastic changes from rt 926 in western chester county near rt 41 & north compared to Oxford can occur with the right storm track. Bucks County - My father lives 4 Miles NW of Doylestown and seems to be in the SE Bucks Grid. how was this calculated. I have seen differences in snow totals from Doylestown to Bensalem/Yardely in the past for winter with the right storm track. I personally believe that with what occurred, you now must split future counties. Br, darkStar This is from the PNS that was issued: "These zones are being changed to improve forecast accuracy in the urban versus suburban areas of southeastern Pennsylvania, and to better represent the differences in climatology associated with elevation increases from south to north. These changes will result in more geographically precise forecast, watch and warning products for the general public and will enhance Web-based graphical product consistency and appearance". The main focus was the three counties that are being split effective December 4, 2012. Could some more counties be split, probably, however let's not get carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 This is from the PNS that was issued: "These zones are being changed to improve forecast accuracy in the urban versus suburban areas of southeastern Pennsylvania, and to better represent the differences in climatology associated with elevation increases from south to north. These changes will result in more geographically precise forecast, watch and warning products for the general public and will enhance Web-based graphical product consistency and appearance". The main focus was the three counties that are being split effective December 4, 2012. Could some more counties be split, probably, however let's not get carried away. also, these counties are pretty big, so a difference from n-s or w-e could vary. You wouldnt do it for delco or phl county because the counties arent that big. Only other county i could maybe see is berks county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Are you going to change the criteria for snowfall in southern Montco, Chesco, Bucksco to the same criteria that Philly & Delaware Counties have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Are you going to change the criteria for snowfall in southern Montco, Chesco, Bucksco to the same criteria that Philly & Delaware Counties have? It's confusing enough for some of the public having warning criteria for Delco/Philly at 4 and the rest of the burbs at 6 (I get a few emails each winter wondering why Montco isn't under a warning for 4" but Philly is). JMO, splitting the warning criteria within the county wouldn't be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 Are you going to change the criteria for snowfall in southern Montco, Chesco, Bucksco to the same criteria that Philly & Delaware Counties have? The warning criteria (snow) for the eastern/lower zones of the split counties will be lowered to 4 inches. This is to match the rest of the Philly metro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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