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November 2012 General Discussion


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MEX has 69º for Sat and 68º for Sun for IND. NWS point and click highs of 70º and 66º, respectively.

Just a FYI, top three warmest maximum temperatures for Indianapolis for both days.

Nov 10: 75º in 1949...73º in 1999...73º in 1964

Nov 11: 76º in 1927...75º in 1949...74º in 2010*

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We are all snow deprived. It's an addict about to go off the wagon and excited about it. Fat flakes or powder I think any snow that exceeds 1" per hour is fine at this point.

Personally I'm with powerball. Heavy wet snow is awesome.

I would take a snowstorm with temps in the low teens any day. Example 2005 clipper. Winter at its best.

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I don't mind that wintry type weather has mostly held off here so far and for the near future.

Here's an interesting thought. If you averaged 45" per season, would you prefer that your 45" of snow came in storms spread from Nov 1-Apr 15 or instead from storms spread Dec 10-Feb 20?

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I don't mind that wintry type weather has mostly held off here so far and for the near future.

Here's an interesting thought. If you averaged 45" per season, would you prefer that your 45" of snow came in storms spread from Nov 1-Apr 15 or instead from storms spread Dec 10-Feb 20?

Hmm, pondering type of question! I think I would take all that snow in a shorter time! Better chance you'd have a continuous snow pack or at least many more days with snow on the ground to look at!

...Clouds not going away today! lol

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I don't mind that wintry type weather has mostly held off here so far and for the near future.

Here's an interesting thought. If you averaged 45" per season, would you prefer that your 45" of snow came in storms spread from Nov 1-Apr 15 or instead from storms spread Dec 10-Feb 20?

Dec 10th- Feb 20th. That means more snowstorms of 8"+ potentially and the snow will likely stick around. Early season and late season snows are meh. More of a stat padding thing.

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We can't buy a decent November these days. The next 2 weeks look awful.

I don't mind that wintry type weather has mostly held off here so far and for the near future.

Here's an interesting thought. If you averaged 45" per season, would you prefer that your 45" of snow came in storms spread from Nov 1-Apr 15 or instead from storms spread Dec 10-Feb 20?

It was one of the last posts on the last page, so I will repost here (in case you missed it ;) ). This does not necessarily speak for the entire region, I merely am looking at SE MI....but the evolution of November & seasonal snowfall here has slowly morphed into an interesting trend.

LONGTERM average, if you use Detroits entire 130+ year period of record, for November snowfall is approximately 3", with a season average of approximately 41". The 1981-2010 avg Nov snowfall (1.4") cuts that in HALF, while the avg seasonal snowfall (43.8") is about 3" MORE. And looking at the past 10 years, the separation is further increasing (though if the end result is the same, I will happily take a decrease of November flakes and an increase of rest-of-the-season snow!)

Last 10 winters....Nov snow & season snow at DTW:

2002-03: Nov- 1.6"....Season- 60.9"

2003-04: Nov- 0.4"....Season- 24.1"

2004-05: Nov- 0.1"....Season- 63.8"

2005-06: Nov- 4.3"....Season- 36.3"

2006-07: Nov- 0.1"....Season- 30.3"

2007-08: Nov- 0.5"....Season- 71.7"

2008-09: Nov- 2.2"....Season- 65.7"

2009-10: Nov- 0........Season- 43.7"

2010-11: Nov- T.........Season- 69.1"

2011-12: Nov- 0.6"....Season- 26.0"

10-yr avg: Nov- 1.0"...Season- 49.2"

MBY past 10 years...(dtws numbers 2003-05 were suspiciously low)

2002-03: Nov- 3.5"....Season- 66.9"

2003-04: Nov- 0.7"....Season- 36.6"

2004-05: Nov- 0.7"....Season- 80.7"

2005-06: Nov- 4.8"....Season- 41.9"

2006-07: Nov- 0.3"....Season- 36.3"

2007-08: Nov- 0.7"....Season- 78.2"

2008-09: Nov- 1.9"....Season- 64.8"

2009-10: Nov- T........Season- 46.1"

2010-11: Nov- T.........Season- 69.4"

2011-12: Nov- 0.6"....Season- 25.5"

10-yr avg: Nov- 1.3"...Season- 54.6"

LASTLY...a little history of Detroits Nov - seasonal snowfall averages..look at the futile 1930s-50s, Novembers werent bad at all!

1880s: Nov- 1.9"....Season- 47.3"

1890s: Nov- 3.9"....Season- 42.7"

1900s: Nov- 1.9"....Season- 46.3"

1910s: Nov- 1.6"....Season- 39.7"

1920s: Nov- 3.4"....Season- 46.1"

1930s: Nov- 3.0"....Season- 32.9"

1940s: Nov- 2.6"....Season- 27.6"

1950s: Nov- 4.7"....Season- 37.2" ***snowiest decade for Novembers***

1960s: Nov- 2.1"....Season- 31.8"

1970s: Nov- 4.5"....Season- 45.6"

1980s: Nov- 2.3"....Season- 45.2"'

1990s: Nov- 1.5"....Season- 37.3"

2000s: Nov- 1.1"....Season- 45.3"

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We are all snow deprived. It's an addict about to go off the wagon and excited about it. Fat flakes or powder I think any snow that exceeds 1" per hour is fine at this point.

Personally I'm with powerball. Heavy wet snow is awesome.

My rule of thumb is, any snow is better than no snow. Period. I dont care what the situation is, nuisance, stat padding, whatever. Last winter whenever we had a snow that melted quickly (which was often) i would hear comments like, whats the point, better to not have snowed at all. It was the great lakes version of a typical east coast winter (minus the big snow)...it didnt last. Now, you are talking to the KING of snowcover here, but I would still take ANY snow over NO snow.

I remember the April 5, 2009 snow, the snow was coming down like silver dollars but it was so slushy we had a storm total of 4.6" here (much more to my NW) and could never achieve great rates (we maxed at like an inch an hour despite liquid totals of 0.25/hr a few hours). Jan 1, 2008 the NW burbs had 4"/hr rates with those same silver dollars, so perhaps time of year meant something. The Feb 20, 2011 snowstorm had several hours of 2"/hr rates, and that was with medium-sized flakes, and the Feb 11, 2012 arctic front was just a wall of white, didnt even notice flakes, but it had 1-2"/hr rates. So basically, all snowfalls are different. All situations are different. I have my preferences, but give me anything! LONG LIVE WINTER :)

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November total average snowfall per decade (monthly totals in chronological order) for Chicago, since 1884.

All 0.0"'s had trace amounts, except for 1999, 2001, 2009, and 2010.

1880's: 1.4" (0.5", 0.7", 2.6", 2.5", 0.5", 1.3")

1890's: 3.8" (0.0", 6.8", 0.8", 7.5", 2.5", 14.5", 4.2", 0.0", 1.8", 0.0")

1900's: 1.1" (1.1", 0.1", 0.5", 2.2", 0.0", 0.0", 2.8", 3.0", 0.9", 0.0")

1910's: 0.6" (1.2", 1.2", 0.4", 0.0", 0.0", 0.7", 0.1", 1.5", 0.5", 0.6")

1920's: 1.5" (1.3", 1.6", 0.2", 0.0", 1.0", 2.3", 3.9", 4.9", 0.0", 0.1")

1930's: 0.8" (1.7", 0.2", 0.6", 1.4", 0.0", 0.5", 0.6", 2.7", 0.2", 0.4")

1940's: 3.5" (14.8", 5.2", 4.3", 0.2", 1.0", 0.7", 0.0", 6.2", 0.0", 2.6")

1950's: 5.0" (7.0", 14.3", 0.0", 7.6", 5.7", 5.9", 1.5", 0.5", 0.7", 6.6")

1960's: 1.1" (0.7", 1.6", 0.4", 0.0", 0.8", 0.0", 1.5", 1.2", 0.8", 3.8")

1970's: 3.9" (0.3", 1.2", 5.5", 0.0", 5.1", 10.8", 0.8", 6.3", 7.1", 2.1")

1980's: 2.1" (5.1", 3.6", 0.4", 1.0", 0.0", 1.1", 3.8", 1.0", 0.9", 3.9")

1990's: 1.4" (0.0", 1.2", 0.2", 0.2", 0.0", 3.9", 4.8", 3.3", 0.2", 0.0")

2000's: 1.3" (0.1", 0.0", 4.7", 0.0", 5.1", 1.9", 0.4", 0.3", 0.6", 0.0")

2010's: 0.0" (0.0", 0.0")

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November total average snowfall per decade (monthly totals in chronological order) for Chicago, since 1884.

All 0.0"'s had trace amounts, except for 1999, 2001, 2009, and 2010.

1880's: 1.4" (0.5", 0.7", 2.6", 2.5", 0.5", 1.3")

1890's: 3.8" (0.0", 6.8", 0.8", 7.5", 2.5", 14.5", 4.2", 0.0", 1.8", 0.0")

1900's: 1.1" (1.1", 0.1", 0.5", 2.2", 0.0", 0.0", 2.8", 3.0", 0.9", 0.0")

1910's: 0.6" (1.2", 1.2", 0.4", 0.0", 0.0", 0.7", 0.1", 1.5", 0.5", 0.6")

1920's: 1.5" (1.3", 1.6", 0.2", 0.0", 1.0", 2.3", 3.9", 4.9", 0.0", 0.1")

1930's: 0.8" (1.7", 0.2", 0.6", 1.4", 0.0", 0.5", 0.6", 2.7", 0.2", 0.4")

1940's: 3.5" (14.8", 5.2", 4.3", 0.2", 1.0", 0.7", 0.0", 6.2", 0.0", 2.6")

1950's: 5.0" (7.0", 14.3", 0.0", 7.6", 5.7", 5.9", 1.5", 0.5", 0.7", 6.6")

1960's: 1.1" (0.7", 1.6", 0.4", 0.0", 0.8", 0.0", 1.5", 1.2", 0.8", 3.8")

1970's: 3.9" (0.3", 1.2", 5.5", 0.0", 5.1", 10.8", 0.8", 6.3", 7.1", 2.1")

1980's: 2.1" (5.1", 3.6", 0.4", 1.0", 0.0", 1.1", 3.8", 1.0", 0.9", 3.9")

1990's: 1.4" (0.0", 1.2", 0.2", 0.2", 0.0", 3.9", 4.8", 3.3", 0.2", 0.0")

2000's: 1.3" (0.1", 0.0", 4.7", 0.0", 5.1", 1.9", 0.4", 0.3", 0.6", 0.0")

2010's: 0.0" (0.0", 0.0")

Love the data! Of course I had to do the same for Detroit. I did "T" for trace and "0" for zero (zero only happened three times, in 1998, 2001, 2009.

Detroit November snow, since 1880

1880's: 1.9" (7.7", 0.2", 3.5”, 0.5", 3.4", 0.5", 0.6”, 0.3”, 0.9”, 1.0”)

1890's: 3.9" (2.5", 6.8", 6.6", 2.7", 6.9", 4.5”, T, 0.4", 8.9", T)

1900's: 1.9" (6.2", T, 5.1", 2.3", 0.8", 0.3", 1.2", 2.5”, 0.3", 0.3")

1910's: 1.6" (2.3", 7.0", 0.1", 3.6", 0.7", 0.7", 0.5", 0.9”, T, 0.5")

1920's: 3.4" (5.4", 8.3", 1.4", 0.3", 1.0", 7.8", 3.4", 3.8”, 1.0", 1.4")

1930's: 3.0" (3.1", 0.7", 10.1", 10.5", T, 0.2", 2.0", 1.0”, 2.7", T)

1940's: 2.6" (9.1", 0.5", 4.4", 3.1", T, 0.1", 0.3", 3.1", T, 5.5")

1950's: 4.7" (9.2", 8.3” T, 3.0", 0.7", 4.8", 6.7", 1.7", 4.5", 8.1")

1960's: 2.1" (1.0", T, 0.2", T, 2.6", 0.2", 11.8", 1.4", T, 3.9”)

1970's: 4.5" (1.7", 4.2", 7.1", 0.1", 7.7", 6.5”, 1.4", 7.4", 6.1", 3.2")

1980's: 2.3" (3.4”, 0.7", 1.8", 3.5", 4.1", 2.0", 3.3", 0.7", 1.0", 2.4")

1990's: 1.5" (T, 2.2", 0.9", 0.6", T, 1.3", 5.0", 4.6", 0, T)

2000's: 1.1" (1.3", 0, 1.6", 0.4", 0.1”, 4.3", 0.1", 0.5", 2.2", 0)

2010's: 0.3" (T, 0.6"....8 yrs to go)

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It looks like our streak of neither the high nor low temperatures exceeding normal will come to an end today at 13 straight. The last day FWA was warmer than normal was 10/26 when it was 64/40 with a normal of 60/39. (They did match the normal low of 38 on the 10/31)

The November departure now stand at -8.4°.

I want to see this in Dec.- Feb., not in early November.

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Coldest start, or first 8 days, to November in Indianapolis since 1995.

Nov 1-8, 2012: 39.0º

Nov 1-8, 1995: 37.9º

How both of those months got there was entirely different though. Roller coaster in Nov 1995, steady as she goes in 2012.

Daily max/min for each month, 1995 first and 2012 second.

Nov 1: 67/51...54/29

Nov 2: 70/38...51/33

Nov 3: 38/26...41/33

Nov 4: 33/21...45/30

Nov 5: 31/18...46/25

Nov 6: 50/24...49/28

Nov 7: 52/32...50/35

Nov 8: 35/21...48/27

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Coldest start, or first 8 days, to November in Indianapolis since 1995.

Nov 1-8, 2012: 39.0º

Nov 1-8, 1995: 37.9º

How both of those months got there was entirely different though. Roller coaster in Nov 1995, steady as she goes in 2012.

Daily max/min for each month, 1995 first and 2012 second.

Nov 1: 67/51...54/29

Nov 2: 70/38...51/33

Nov 3: 38/26...41/33

Nov 4: 33/21...45/30

Nov 5: 31/18...46/25

Nov 6: 50/24...49/28

Nov 7: 52/32...50/35

Nov 8: 35/21...48/27

A sign of things to come?

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