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Hurricane Sandy/Potential EC Event Discussion Part II


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Henry M from Accuweather is siding with the GFS now and sending Sandy OTS,a new low takes over with impacts to the coast.??? If the GFS has been so unreliable and the Euro so consistent..why the GFS Henry..geez...I'm confused now..But hey I'm just another weather weenie,junkie..

Ahhh... henry m... easily one of the worst around

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06z Ensmbles slide it west just south of MVY into LI, but again...some models develop a separate baroclinic low which is still possible..although could be very strong.

Just looking at the 06 mean now and you get that feel from the look of how Sandy starts to recurve only to be pulled back in by the strong baroclinic zone along the coast.

Call me a weenie but I am beginning to fell a scenario like the Euro is becoming more plausible, just further up the coast than the 00z run.

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Yeah I don't really get it. There's a lot of hype coming from places that even typically are a bit more conservative. Even a "hit" from a storm that backs into SNE may not be any worse than a typical fall nor'easter.

If it still has tropical characteristics, strong wins SW. But like Phil said, all depends on the core of the storm and any baroclinic enhancement.

I think the threat is heightened for a strong storm, about all you can say at this point. Strong storm doesn't mean '38 redux either. If the 12z runs come and hit it harder...than more confidence of siggy impact, but really it will take until later tomorrow or Friday morning to truly sample all the players. People need to remember that.

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Yeah I don't really get it. There's a lot of hype coming from places that even typically are a bit more conservative. Even a "hit" from a storm that backs into SNE may not be any worse than a typical fall nor'easter.

this is a good point too. the really bad scenarios are out there, and possible of course if something like some of those crazy euro/ggem runs were to verify, but there are so many possibilities to envision that are less severe and would probably be more of a prolonged coastal flood threat or hvy rain situation. way too early to tell much.

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Yeah I don't really get it. There's a lot of hype coming from places that even typically are a bit more conservative. Even a "hit" from a storm that backs into SNE may not be any worse than a typical fall nor'easter.

If it still has tropical characteristics, strong wins SW. But like Phil said, all depends on the core of the storm and any baroclinic enhancement.

I think the threat is heightened for a strong storm, about all you can say at this point. Strong storm doesn't mean '38 redux either. If the 12z runs come and hit it harder...than more confidence of siggy impact, but really it will take until later tomorrow or Friday morning to truly sample all the players. People need to remember that.

This^^^^ Man the hype is spreading like wildfire though.

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Just looking at the 06 mean now and you get that feel from the look of how Sandy starts to recurve only to be pulled back in by the strong baroclinic zone along the coast.

Call me a weenie but I am beginning to fell a scenario like the Euro is becoming more plausible, just further up the coast than the 00z run.

Could be something that is east of the Cape still..or nor'easter that develops and stalls....a few scenarios here.

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I gotta say and agree with the fact its only Wednesday,and there will be many more model runs to go through..but its rather ominous to see a 933mb low ,EURO south of New England..the GFS is clearly the outlier here..the Euro has been consistent for the past several runs,so many varibles,so many things to watch here for something like the Euro to happen..I'm not a met,just a weather weenie of historic magnitude so don't shoot my thoughts down here..Hopefully this will be nailed down by Friday,so everyone including me can hit the panic button or just go back to reading 50 shades of insane weather models.

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Henry M from Accuweather is siding with the GFS now and sending Sandy OTS,a new low takes over with impacts to the coast.??? If the GFS has been so unreliable and the Euro so consistent..why the GFS Henry..geez...I'm confused now..But hey I'm just another weather weenie,junkie..

FWIW, last night's GGEM is doing the same thing, taking Sandy OTS with a secondary development to the west that pushes into SNE. I don't know if we can discount that as a possible outcome.

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this is a good point too. the really bad scenarios are out there, and possible of course if something like some of those crazy euro/ggem runs were to verify, but there are so many possibilities to envision that are less severe and would probably be more of a prolonged coastal flood threat or hvy rain situation. way too early to tell much.

This^^^^ Man the hype is spreading like wildfire though.

Yes we know there's a storm 'o doom scenario out there but there is a whole continuum of solutions that range from a some heavier rain as tropical moisture gets involved with a low developing back here in NE to a hybrid that sits and spins east of the Cape.

The direct hurricane hit is most unlikely... the vast majority of solutions that bring rain/wind would be far from historic IMO.

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If it still has tropical characteristics, strong wins SW. But like Phil said, all depends on the core of the storm and any baroclinic enhancement.

I think the threat is heightened for a strong storm, about all you can say at this point. Strong storm doesn't mean '38 redux either. If the 12z runs come and hit it harder...than more confidence of siggy impact, but really it will take until later tomorrow or Friday morning to truly sample all the players. People need to remember that.

Sorry to bust in but I am really curious as to how different a tropical based nor'easter and one that forms off say SC can be. With respect to warm core and winds does it mean that the winds would be more gusty in a tropical based storm due to mixing down effects? Sorry if this is noobish.

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Yes we know there's a storm 'o doom scenario out there but there is a whole continuum of solutions that range from a some heavier rain as tropical moisture gets involved with a low developing back here in NE to a hybrid that sits and spins east of the Cape.

The direct hurricane hit is most unlikely... the vast majority of solutions that bring rain/wind would be far from historic IMO.

That is looking more and more unlikely, Some other hybrid type of system is starting to look more likely

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Could be something that is east of the Cape still..or nor'easter that develops and stalls....a few scenarios here.

Yeah I can see that as well. Personally I just don't see how we don't see "some" sort of impact out of this mess. What that is remains to be seen. I thought the Op Euro was a bit over amplified and the Op GFS was an utter disaster. At about 108h you can see the GFS starting to phase Sandy with the trough but by about 120h Sandy is still moving off to the NE. It looks like the GFS breaks down the N Alt. Ridge on the southern edge, allowing Sandy to scoot offshore.

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Yeah I can see that as well. Personally I just don't see how we don't see "some" sort of impact out of this mess. What that is remains to be seen. I thought the Op Euro was a bit over amplified and the Op GFS was an utter disaster. At about 108h you can see the GFS starting to phase Sandy with the trough but by about 120h Sandy is still moving off to the NE. It looks like the GFS breaks down the N Alt. Ridge on the southern edge, allowing Sandy to scoot offshore.

I agree. I think the odds of some impact definitely better than 50/50.

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Just looking at the 06 mean now and you get that feel from the look of how Sandy starts to recurve only to be pulled back in by the strong baroclinic zone along the coast.

Call me a weenie but I am beginning to fell a scenario like the Euro is becoming more plausible, just further up the coast than the 00z run.

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