HurricaneJosh Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 10:15 PM, PSUBlizzicane2007 said: This storm is weird. Watching both the Philly and NYC ABC stations, there are places where it is much, much, much worse than Irene. There are also places where it isn't as bad. Different storms, different attitudes. We chased Irene on Long Island. Same latitude. But that's beside the point. He's just saying he's not seeing much. But the wind data coming in seem to suggest it's worse than Irene. On 10/29/2012 at 10:17 PM, ict1523 said: The winds, at least in NYC, are a lot more impressive now than with Irene. I'd believe that, as I was really surprised by the lack of wind in Brooklyn/Queens/Long Island during Irene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 It looks like the center is on shore, but the whole structure really collapsed in those final hours, so it's hard to tell. The NHC Discussion strongly hints that this is no longer a tropical cyclone-- that they're keeping it as a hurricane now for operational continuity, but will reclassify it post-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 Franklin said the best description is extratropical. It's almost definitely post-tropical right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 10:22 PM, HurricaneJosh said: It looks like the center is on shore, but the whole structure really collapsed in those final hours, so it's hard to tell. The NHC Discussion strongly hints that this is no longer a tropical cyclone-- that they're keeping it as a hurricane now for operational continuity, but will reclassify it post-season. Check out the OKX loop. Back side rain bands coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 H-h-h-halfacane: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entropy Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Winds increasing here in northeast Ohio. Sustained 20 to 30 mph most places with higher gusts. A buoy over Lake Erie has been reporting sustained winds of 40 to 45 mph for the last couple of hours, with gusts to 50+ mph. Pretty impressive to see tropical storm conditions over Lake Erie with the center of circulation just now moving into South Jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 10:37 PM, gkrangers said: Check out the OKX loop. Back side rain bands coming. Link, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlestonNYC Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 10:43 PM, HurricaneJosh said: H-h-h-halfacane: Maybe in terms of precipitation....the backside wind seems just as bad if not a lot worse than the front side. Check the NYC subforum...sounds really intense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Impressive MAUL (Moist Absolutely Unstable Layer) setting up near the surface that's driving a lot of those wind reports as well as the new convective bands on the east side. That MAUL is a result of the cold air undercutting the warm, tropical air around 800mb or so. The last recon showing the temp rise from 2C to 19C was a great illustration of the warm core literally being occluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 10:45 PM, CharlestonNYC said: Maybe in terms of precipitation....the backside wind seems just as bad if not a lot worse than the front side. Check the NYC subforum...sounds really intense. Funny you posted this, because 1) my friend on the Island reports the winds have picked up and 2) Islip has seen a very recent spike. And this reminds me that in Gloria, JFK and LGA had their strongest winds after the center passed and the sky was actually clearing. (Where I was on W Long Island, we had our strongest and most-damaging winds on the front side, right before the eye.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy_wx Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 10:44 PM, Entropy said: Winds increasing here in northeast Ohio. Sustained 20 to 30 mph most places with higher gusts. A buoy over Lake Erie has been reporting sustained winds of 40 to 45 mph for the last couple of hours, with gusts to 50+ mph. Pretty impressive to see tropical storm conditions over Lake Erie with the center of circulation just now moving into South Jersey. We recently had a gust of 54 mph in Oswego, NY along the shore of Lake Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbuster Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 10:44 PM, Entropy said: Winds increasing here in northeast Ohio. Sustained 20 to 30 mph most places with higher gusts. A buoy over Lake Erie has been reporting sustained winds of 40 to 45 mph for the last couple of hours, with gusts to 50+ mph. Pretty impressive to see tropical storm conditions over Lake Erie with the center of circulation just now moving into South Jersey. Wind not as significant at my location yet however heavy rain is occuring. Filed a brief video...you can see it's cold, gusty and rainy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrips27 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 ...SANDY BECOMES POST-TROPICAL... ...CENTER EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL WITHIN THE NEXT HOUR OR SO... 7:00 PM EDT Mon Oct 29 Location: 39.1°N 74.4°W Moving: WNW at 28 mph Min pressure: 946 mb Max sustained: 85 mph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 You can actually see the exposed warm core on IR satellite, with the darker colors at the center and that cold air being wrapped around it. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawind Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ECIR3.html You can clearly see the "eye" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 It has very clearly lost all its convection over the center, which was really the only thing keeping it from being called an extratropical storm. I think the NHC has nailed the classification so far... as well as anyone can for such a hybridized storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 11:02 PM, Seawind said: http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ECIR3.html That far vantage point does make it look a whole lot more like a tropical cyclone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NittanyWx Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 11:05 PM, Mallow said: It has very clearly lost all its convection over the center, which was really the only thing keeping it from being called an extratropical storm. I think the NHC has nailed the classification so far... as well as anyone can for such a hybridized storm. I think it's more post-tropical, I agree with that. Although the mixing of warm/cold core is an interesting case for reanalysis. One for the record books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 11:05 PM, Mallow said: It has very clearly lost all its convection over the center, which was really the only thing keeping it from being called an extratropical storm. I think the NHC has nailed the classification so far... as well as anyone can for such a hybridized storm. Yep, totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Significant flooding in lower Manhattan. FDNY is unable to reach several emergencies due to flooding now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Interesting that the backside winds over NYC/Long Island are apparently quite strong, despite the lack of convection or rain. They're apparently a bit destructive. Islip had a gust over 70 kt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 11:00 PM, csnavywx said: You can actually see the exposed warm core on IR satellite, with the darker colors at the center and that cold air being wrapped around it. Unreal. Indeed. Very cool to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COBRIEN85 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Havent seen a single gust above Tropical Storm Force yet, at all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 My overall impression is that the right backside of the cyclone, despite having no convection, is bringing the most serious effects in terms of both damaging winds and also sudden surging along the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 11:23 PM, HurricaneJosh said: My overall impression is that the right backside of the cyclone, despite having no convection, is bringing the most serious effects in terms of both damaging winds and also sudden surging along the coast. Really amazing how well this was forecasted by the models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 11:14 PM, HurricaneJosh said: Interesting that the backside winds over NYC/Long Island are apparently quite strong, despite the lack of convection or rain. They're apparently a bit destructive. Islip had a gust over 70 kt. Yep, due to that strengthening MAUL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entropy Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 11:14 PM, HurricaneJosh said: Interesting that the backside winds over NYC/Long Island are apparently quite strong, despite the lack of convection or rain. They're apparently a bit destructive. Islip had a gust over 70 kt. I wonder if it has something to do with the southeasterly flow drawing in warm, moist air from the tropics near the surface along with increased mixing heights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Marusak Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 are they going to be able to get the soundings up in OXK? and do they have any spare equipment to do it there at ACY? or has that been out of ACY for a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salbers Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Battery Park Tide Gauge around 12.5 feet now. Sounds like a record to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 On 10/29/2012 at 11:47 PM, salbers said: Battery Park Tide Gauge around 12.5 feet now. Sounds like a record to me. Pretty sure it's been crushed by at least a foot and a half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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