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The NOGAPs is still pulling off the late Euroesque hail mary with that s/w trough.

I was looking at the EC ensemble H5 anomalies. I wish I could see H5 vorticity. Anyways, even at hr 132 the ensembles is deeper with the s/w trough in the Plains and deeper with the ridge in the west, but it's also east with Sandy as compared to the Euro op at hr 132. It's also a little better with the -NAO as compared to the EC ensemble at 00z. Adding it up, we get the solution SE of the Cape as it's not seeing the crazy op run capture. One would naturally expect that for both smoothing reasons, and also the fact that the op run displayed a highly anomalous situation. So many variables at play.

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In fairness though, hasn't the GFS changed by hundreds of miles too? However, it is more difficult to perceive, as out to sea is out to sea.

Does it even really matter this far out if models are close to land or OTS and so forth? :lol:

At this point all the focus should be on the upper air patterns and such...there are quite a few times where this far out the models placement of systems may not seem right given the upper air pattern.

I think some people pay too much attention to the "smaller" stuff rather than the large picture, especially when dealing with medium/long range.

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In fairness though, hasn't the GFS changed by hundreds of miles too? However, it is more difficult to perceive, as out to sea is out to sea.

It's spin to say the GFS has been more consistent when 12z yesterday it had a solution almost identical to today's 12z Euro - so no, that individual needs to check them self because the Euro has had an impactor on the EC for 2 days worth of runs now that GFS has been INconsistent in that same time.

Also, to say nothing of the fact that this issue with the GFS clearly is rooted in sampling and assimilation issues over the Pacific.

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I don't know if you all noticed this but I find it fascinating - some of the tropical guidance takes our red hashed friend out there that NE of the Leewards, 'canes it, then merges it with the Azores -NAO low right around the time that our buddy lubes up the eastern seaboard.

Wow - genetics of the atmosphere. Blocking blocking blocking

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I don't know if you all noticed this but I find it fascinating - some of the tropical guidance takes our red hashed friend out there that NE of the Leewards, 'canes it, then merges it with the Azores -NAO low right around the time that our buddy lubes up the eastern seaboard.

Wow - genetics of the atmosphere. Blocking blocking blocking

I remember both a presentation and a paper on such an interaction (how TC's outflows can lead to intensification of ocean storms in a remote/indirect way). I want to say the paper was written by Lance Bosart of U of Albany

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Does it even really matter this far out if models are close to land or OTS and so forth? :lol:

At this point all the focus should be on the upper air patterns and such...there are quite a few times where this far out the models placement of systems may not seem right given the upper air pattern.

I think some people pay too much attention to the "smaller" stuff rather than the large picture, especially when dealing with medium/long range.

Nice post Wiz and very true.

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I remember both a presentation and a paper on such an interaction (how TC's outflows can lead to intensification of ocean storms in a remote/indirect way). I want to say the paper was written by Lance Bosart of U of Albany

Yeah, I've heard of that :)

But I'm actually speaking to how interesting that the Azores low once to cannibalize a TC in the same way our cutting off deal on the MA does - like, at the same time?!

there's something significant about that.

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Does it even really matter this far out if models are close to land or OTS and so forth? :lol:

At this point all the focus should be on the upper air patterns and such...there are quite a few times where this far out the models placement of systems may not seem right given the upper air pattern.

I think some people pay too much attention to the "smaller" stuff rather than the large picture, especially when dealing with medium/long range.

Ding ding ding - amen!

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I was looking at the EC ensemble H5 anomalies. I wish I could see H5 vorticity. Anyways, even at hr 132 the ensembles is deeper with the s/w trough in the Plains and deeper with the ridge in the west, but it's also east with Sandy as compared to the Euro op at hr 132. It's also a little better with the -NAO as compared to the EC ensemble at 00z. Adding it up, we get the solution SE of the Cape as it's not seeing the crazy op run capture. One would naturally expect that for both smoothing reasons, and also the fact that the op run displayed a highly anomalous situation. So many variables at play.

Here's the NGP ensemble for vorticity.

http://francisperey.com/sailing/nogaps.htm

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