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Ohio and surrounding states (Let's talk winter!)


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I'm going to the Annual Winter Hike in Hocking county (Old Man's & Ash Caves) on the 19th: http://www.hockinghills.com/winter_hike.html

Looks like we're going to loose our entire snow pack (including the piles) and all of the ice formations in the caves by then with the big warm up to near 60 and heavy rain this coming weekend.  Cold weather does look like it will reture before the winter hike weekend, but will probably be too little too late by then!

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Jan 16-18th period has some potential.  Mega trough to the west with the passage of a cold front before the final wave of low pressure moves through.  Classic setup for a winter storm, but will it materialize?  Could go too far NW or it could shear out and not even form anything.  Will be interesting to watch for sure...

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Well I was off on the 9th. While there will be a system bring significant moisture to the area, was not expecting 60º temps to also be around. Next significant system to watch is, as Mike said, around the 16/17. GFS showing a classic set up for an Ohio storm. While the storm is a while out, it appears that temps wont be too high. As always we fight the wtod but as of now everything looks good for an ohio storm.

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Well I was off on the 9th. While there will be a system bring significant moisture to the area, was not expecting 60º temps to also be around. Next significant system to watch is, as Mike said, around the 16/17. GFS showing a classic set up for an Ohio storm. While the storm is a while out, it appears that temps wont be too high. As always we fight the wtod but as of now everything looks good for an ohio storm.

 

I would feel better if this was in the 5 day range...but at least it is something to watch while we torch.

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Alrighty...since I'll be living in Athens starting Sunday and lasting through mid-May, and not in Lake Effect country, I guess I'll post some thoughts on Ohio weather in here.

 

First and foremost--the MJO is making considerable strides, and is expected to propigate into phases 6 and then 7 over the next week at fairly high amplitude:

 

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Per Allan Huffman's research, a phase 7 MJO in January likes pushing ridging into Alaska and Canada, ala a +PNA:

 

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With good agreement on troughing in the west, we should see an active pattern set up late this week through the weekend with a couple of systems tracking well to our NW...which, while warm and rainy in the short term, will help raise heights in and around Greenland, supporting a -NAO by next week.

 

The ridging over Alaska and Western Canada/Greenland will help put a nice squeeze on what is expected to be a displaced polar vortex, illustraited by the AO forecast graphics showing a strongly - AO next week, and force cold air south and set up a nice baroclinic zone against the retreating SE ridge.

 

Although it will take some time, as RLX said in this afternoon's AFD, due to a lot of little shortwaves running along the baroclinic zone, there is pretty good consensus in the arctic hounds getting unleashed into the upper Midwest/Great Lakes by Wednesday, give or take, which should push the barclinic zone to near the Ohio River and allow most of Ohio to see snow out of any precip that falls.

 

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Tuesday's 12z GFS/Euro show potential for energy to be ejecting out of the southwest during the second half of next week as arctic air seeps into the central/southern portions of Ohio...so there certainly seems to be some decent potential for an over running snow event (potentially mixed precip near the river) during the second half of next week as the Gulf will remain open for buisiness...and as shortwaves continue to try to eject east along the baroclinic zone sitting just to our south.

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OHweather, It's good to have someone of your knowledge posting here. I hope you're correct, the latest gfs runs since yesterdays' 12z and the 00z euro run were a swift kick in the nuts.

 

Sad to see him leave the Northern ohio thread :violin: . Your gain is our loss.

 

JB seems to hinting that he is punting January as he is already talking about February.

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OHweather,It's good to have someone of your knowledge posting here. I hope you're correct, the latest gfs runs since yesterdays' 12z and the 00z euro run were a swift kick in the nuts.

Yeah, they basically show no appreciable winter weather (cold or snow) into the extended. Meanwhile, the AO, NAO and EPO are still all forecast to be negative in this time frame, yet even the West isn't cold anymore on the models.

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OHweather, It's good to have someone of your knowledge posting here. I hope you're correct, the latest gfs runs since yesterdays' 12z and the 00z euro run were a swift kick in the nuts.

Hey, thanks!

 

I'm not too worried about any individual solution right now...although the potential is there for a big storm if the western trough ejects out in one piece (which most modeling is refusing to do) a storm like that would probably switch a lot of central/southern Ohio over to rain.

 

There is pretty good consensus in getting the baroclinic zone far enough south by Monday for even central Ohio to be in the game for snow or at least mixed precip, with it shifting farther south by late Tuesday/early Wednesday, which would put southern Ohio in the game. Most modeling shows this except for the op ECM which really holds up the cold...its ensembles 0z though did match this timing.

 

With a lot of moisture to work with over the deep south and what should be a few little waves riding along this boundary we should all have at least one shot next week for snow/ice...nothing too heavy but it should be better than nothing.

 

The question becomes though in my mind how quickly does the MJO die? If it dies quickly we may not sustain any sort of western US ridging and see the US flood with cold with the SE ridge cropping back up by the 20th or so which would shift anything wintry back to our north.

 

Sad to see him leave the Northern ohio thread :violin: . Your gain is our loss.

 

JB seems to hinting that he is punting January as he is already talking about February.

Believe me from a snow lover's stand point, I'd much rather be staying up here!

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Hopefully this is a helpful post, as I don't normally post too much on the OV/Lakes forum.

From NWS Wilmington:

THERE WILL BE SOME LEVEL OF RIVER FLOODING POTENTIAL WITH THERAINFALL ON SUNDAY AND MONDAY (ALSO FACTORING IN PRECIPITATION THATOCCURS AT THE END OF THIS WEEK). FOR THE ADDITIONAL RAIN SUNDAY ANDMONDAY...A WIDESPREAD 1-2 INCHES APPEARS POSSIBLE...WITH SOMEISOLATED HIGHER AMOUNTS. 
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There is the potential for some overrunning wintry precip on Monday over central Ohio...and by Monday night the low level cold air should make it pretty close to the Ohio River...I remain fairly optimistic that much of central/southern Ohio will make out with some kind of wintry precip at some point between Monday and Tuesday night...probably pretty light, although we may see some winter weather advisories posted at some point thanks to the shallow nature of the arctic air and over-running situation contributing to some sort of potential ice threat as opposed to a strait change from rain to snow.

 

We'll have another shot at light snow showers Wednesday night or Thursday as an arctic front pushes through. We'll need to watch the Friday-Saturday timeframe...thanks to the PV cold air should be in place over much of Ohio and the Euro is showing a closed low ejecting out of the southwest...and the Canadian/GFS have actually almost phased this feature with a shortwave on the backside of the PV over the past couple days off an on...so the threat is there for some accumulating snow over central/southern OH Friday-Saturday, although right now the confidence in this is pretty low.

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There is the potential for some overrunning wintry precip on Monday over central Ohio...and by Monday night the low level cold air should make it pretty close to the Ohio River...I remain fairly optimistic that much of central/southern Ohio will make out with some kind of wintry precip at some point between Monday and Tuesday night...probably pretty light, although we may see some winter weather advisories posted at some point thanks to the shallow nature of the arctic air and over-running situation contributing to some sort of potential ice threat as opposed to a strait change from rain to snow.

 

We'll have another shot at snow showers Wednesday or Wednesday night as an arctic front pushes through. We'll need to watch the Friday-Saturday timeframe...thanks to the PV cold air should be in place over much of Ohio and the Euro is showing a closed low ejecting out of the southwest...and the Canadian/GFS have actually almost phased this feature with a shortwave on the backside of the PV over the past couple days off an on...so the threat is there for some accumulating snow over central/southern OH Friday-Saturday, although right now the confidence in this is pretty low.

 

 

OHweather,

 

you mentioned you will be in Athens until May....I'm assuming you're a student at OU?    I have a daughter first year there.  Also, believe it or not, I have been to Reminderville, in fact I have a sister moving there in a couple of months when her house gets finished.

 

small world

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OHweather,

 

you mentioned you will be in Athens until May....I'm assuming you're a student at OU?    I have a daughter first year there.  Also, believe it or not, I have been to Reminderville, in fact I have a sister moving there in a couple of months when her house gets finished.

 

small world

 

Yes, I'm going to be a student there. Having a daughter at OU doesn't strike me as such a big coincidence as having been to Reminderville! OU is a decent sized and fairly popular school. Reminderville, ehh, not so much! Small world indeed.

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Yes, I'm going to be a student there. Having a daughter at OU doesn't strike me as such a big coincidence as having been to Reminderville! OU is a decent sized and fairly popular school. Reminderville, ehh, not so much! Small world indeed.

 

yea I was mostly referring to the Reminderville part of that.  I had never heard of it until last winter when I went to Cleveland to visit my sister and she took me out there to show me her new lot   As you are well aware, blink and you miss it.  So when I saw it in your location info I couldn't believe it.

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yea I was mostly referring to the Reminderville part of that.  I had never heard of it until last winter when I went to Cleveland to visit my sister and she took me out there to show me her new lot   As you are well aware, blink and you miss it.  So when I saw it in your location info I couldn't believe it.

 

Heh, we really are just a small municipality that exists with the soul purpose of pulling over passer buyers and writing tickets ;)

 

Yeah, I have to tell a lot of people who live just 15 minutes away where exactly Reminderville is. When my dad moved out here in 2002 my neighborhood was surrounded by farmlands. Since then Reminderville has purchased land up to Liberty Road (where they eventually put in a small shopping plaza) and has litterally developed two more fairly sized neighborhoods.

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Hey Buckeye and OHweather, I have a daughter in her first year at OU as well. She's in a dorm on the South Green right next to the one her mom and I lived in our sophomore year. It's a very odd feeling going back there.

 

I've been reminded this year how different the weather can be just 70 miles to the Southeast as I send her weather texts each morning.

 

Also, I've heard of Reminderville before (such a unique name) but never been there. :)

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