ORH_wxman Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Heavy, heavy snow grains. I had a little over 10:1 from that despite 2m temps in the mid 10s while the snow fell. I'll take the over for him. Let's use KCTTOLLA4 on WU for verification. NAM is pretty darn cold 2m temps but the Euro is about 4F warmer or so. Euro is probably like a 33F low or so here and NAM is maybe 28-29F. This difference can be seen in the 850 temps too...-8C gets into northern third of NH/VT on the NAM while the Euro gets only to about the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 You mean skin temps? It depends on what time of the day it is. Usually the skin sfc is warmer than 2m during the day due to insolation and cooler at night from radiational cooling. So when composing a temp forecast what would be a better indicator to look at, skin temp or 2M temp? For example, yesterday's 18z NAM bufkit for PDX had a peak 2M temp for today of about 71F and the skin sfc temp was about 81-82F. The high so far today was in the mid 60's so I'm assuming 2M is better to use? I'd use today's data (trying to make a temp forecast for tomorrow) but for some reason the bufkit data I'm getting for there is yesterday's runs and I have about 8 min to put something in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Heavy, heavy snow grains. I had a little over 10:1 from that despite 2m temps in the mid 10s while the snow fell. I'll take the over for him. Let's use KCTTOLLA4 on WU for verification. I honestly take into consideration that temp discrepancy. He'll have like 29 or so and it might be 31. I really don't understand how he can be colder than KORH on NW CAA. No offense to him because he gets mad, but serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 So when composing a temp forecast what would be a better indicator to look at, skin temp or 2M temp? For example, yesterday's 18z NAM bufkit for PDX had a peak 2M temp for today of about 71F and the skin sfc temp was about 81-82F. The high so far today was in the mid 60's so I'm assuming 2M is better to use? I'd use today's data (trying to make a temp forecast for tomorrow) but for some reason the bufkit data I'm getting for there is yesterday's runs and I have about 8 min to put something in. All official temp readings are taken at 2m. Just ignore the skin/sfc numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 All official temp readings are taken at 2m. Just ignore the skin/sfc numbers. Gotcha. I had thought that official readings were taken around 2M but I wasn't 100% positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Best storm of the season now...lightning, high winds, very heavy rain. Power out in some parts of town and even in the valley the flags are straight out. I bet we've gusted over 40mph a couple times. Leaves are actually forming drifts, lol. I didn't see this coming...pretty solid FROPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I honestly take into consideration that temp discrepancy. He'll have like 29 or so and it might be 31. I really don't understand how he can be colder than KORH on NW CAA. No offense to him because he gets mad, but serious question. Does UHI have any effect? Not that ORH is in the middle of a concrete jungle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Best storm of the season now...lightning, high winds, very heavy rain. Power out in some parts of town and even in the valley the flags are straight out. I bet we've gusted over 40mph a couple times. Leaves are actually forming drifts, lol. I didn't see this coming...pretty solid FROPA. Lightning in ME too. Pretty strong s/w moving through right now, forcing this line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Best storm of the season now...lightning, high winds, very heavy rain. Power out in some parts of town and even in the valley the flags are straight out. I bet we've gusted over 40mph a couple times. Leaves are actually forming drifts, lol. I didn't see this coming...pretty solid FROPA. Looks pretty "meh" on radar, but cool that it is interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Does UHI have any effect? Not that ORH is in the middle of a concrete jungle... Nothing really to the NW of ORH that would taint it. I think Will said there may be a runway to the NW, but in times of weaker solar insolation like we have now..I don't think it would have an effect on the thermometer. Maybe Blizz's thermo is correct..we don't know for sure, but I scratch my head sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Looks pretty "meh" on radar, but cool that it is interesting Yeah that's why I was so surprised. Fire and Rescue has been called out to two locations due to trees/branches on powerlines. The wind was the surprise...that doesn't show up on a quick radar glance. But I love that we are getting to the time of year when strong CAA mixes wind down very easily. It really felt like a winter squall line when you are left with honkin' NW winds and blowing snow, except in this case it's blowing leaves lol. It may not be severe wind but love those cold season FROPAs with pulsing 30-40mph NW winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Nothing really to the NW of ORH that would taint it. I think Will said there may be a runway to the NW, but in times of weaker solar insolation like we have now..I don't think it would have an effect on the thermometer. Maybe Blizz's thermo is correct..we don't know for sure, but I scratch my head sometimes. If it runs 1-2F low, maybe that's why we never hear what his backyard temp is in the summer...only BDL. His Td is the opposite and 1-2F too warm so that can be posted in the summer, just not the ambient temp With so many mesonet sites out there this days, it's pretty easy to see who runs a little high and a little low. One hill at 1000ft won't be 2-3F colder than the neighboring hill at 1000ft in a windy CAA environment. With radiational cooling though it could be all over the place, but with wind and advection, it really should be pretty uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Anybody who considers themself a true New Englander cannot be a Yankees fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Yeah that's why I was so surprised. Fire and Rescue has been called out to two locations due to trees/branches on powerlines. The wind was the surprise...that doesn't show up on a quick radar glance. But I love that we are getting to the time of year when strong CAA mixes wind down very easily. It really felt like a winter squall line when you are left with honkin' NW winds and blowing snow, except in this case it's blowing leaves lol. It may not be severe wind but love those cold season. FROPAs with pulsing 30-40mph NW winds. sweet enjoy your 4-6 upslope windex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Mt Mansfield already beat my highest single storm total last winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Mt Mansfield already beat my highest single storm total last winter. LOL. Some pretty strong gusts coming in with the front--foliage season ftl 49/44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Mt Mansfield already beat my highest single storm total last winter. You will get your groove back this season Boston metro is due for a whopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Man Friday aftn and Friday Night are going to be downright chilly. Might even be a line of gusty showers that move through Friday morning, then wind and falling aftn temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Man Friday aftn and Friday Night are going to be downright chilly. Might even be a line of gusty showers that move through Friday morning, then wind and falling aftn temps. Sounds awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Sounds awesome Is that Diane and Eric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Anybody who considers themself a true New Englander cannot be a Yankees fan. True dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Is that Diane and Eric? Visiting Marty on the Mountain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Anybody who considers themself a true New Englander cannot be a Yankees fan. I'm going to the game tomorrow. Not a fan but got tickets to take my aunt who's in town from Alaska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I'm going to the game tomorrow. Not a fan but got tickets to take my aunt who's in town from Alaska. Seeing games in different stadiums is pretty cool. I always wanted to go, just because of the history and what not. Heard that place is like a country club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Anybody who considers themself a true New Englander cannot be a Yankees fan. I think that it's fair to say that there are a lot of "false" New Englanders in Fairfield, New Haven and New London counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Anybody who considers themself a true New Englander cannot be a Yankees fan. you obviously never lived in RI or CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 you obviously never lived in RI or CT I always figured RI was like 75% Sox fans, 20% Yankees, 5% other Idepends on where in RI Good series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 you obviously never lived in RI or CT Lots of posers there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Here comes the front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Anybody who considers themself a true New Englander cannot be a Yankees fan. you obviously never lived in RI or CT There's a lot of people that feel CT should be annexed to NY. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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