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Potential Major Storm 9/18


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LONG TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/

POTENTIAL FOR A SIGNIFICANT STORM TUESDAY THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT

SUNDAY THROUGH EARLY MONDAY...A LARGE HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM IS

FORECAST TO MOVE ACROSS THE AREA SUNDAY THEN OFF THE COAST EARLY

MONDAY PROVIDING FAIR WEATHER.

FORECAST MODELS SHOW A SHORT WAVE OVER THE SOUTH CENTRAL U.S.

MOVING NE AND AN AMPLIFYING SHORT WAVE MOVING SE TOWARD THE GREAT

LAKES THAT PHASE TOGETHER PRODUCING A FULL AMPLITUDE TROUGH THAT

BECOMES NEGATIVELY TITLED BY TUESDAY NIGHT.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE ALWAYS DIFFERENCES IN EXACTLY WHERE THE LOW

LEVEL LOW PRES SYSTEM DEVELOPS ALONG WITH ITS AMPLIFICATION AND

SUBSEQUENT TRACK...THERE ARE GROWING SIGNALS OF AN INTENSIFYING

LOW PRES SYSTEM MOVING TO THE N-NE AND PASSING JUST WEST OF THE

LATE TUESDAY.

POTENTIAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SYSTEM WOULD INCLUDE SEVERE

TSTMS WITH ISOLATED TORNADOES...FLASH FLOOD PRODUCING

RAINFALL...STRONG GRADIENT WINDS AND COASTAL FLOODING.

AN OUTLOOK FOR THIS STORM WILL BE ISSUED WITH THIS FCST UPDATE.

STAY TUNED.

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Was this modeled earlier? Very surprising to see the potential for a major storm to just "pop up" on this board!

I think we should get used to this from now through this winter - We are officially in a weak El NINO right now plus some have argued that the excessive melt off of the Arctic ice caps is going to help to promote phasing and more extreme conditions here is an article about this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/arctic-ice-melt-extreme-weather_n_1878833.html...............

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I think we should get used to this from now through this winter - We are officially in a weak El NINO right now plus some have argued that the excessive melt off of the Arctic ice caps is going to help to promote phasing and more extreme conditions here is an article about this

http://www.huffingto..._n_1878833.html...............

Interesting... Bring on the Miller A's!

It just strikes me as odd that what could potentially be the highest impact event of 2012 doesn't have a 20 page thread!

Remember December 10? That was the event that got me into this board!

Based on last weeks storm over preforming on front end winds I think coastal areas have at least the potential for a damaging wind event.

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It's just mind-boggling to see Upton mentioning tornadoes or even severe t-storms this early. This confusion is compounded by the fact that no other Northeast offices are discussing severe weather in any of their current AFDs. Also, the SPC is not bullish at all on this threat. Upton is very hard-pressed to mention tornadoes 12 hours prior to a severe weather episode, let alone 96 hours! What is the reason? Is the model consensus that strong on the projected large-scale ascent, dynamics and buoyancy for Tuesday?

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Very bullish from almost 12 hours ago.

I imagine the new HWO will sound even more intense now that the NAM is coming in pretty strong.

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HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY

359 PM EDT FRI SEP 14 2012

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR ATLANTIC COASTAL

WATERS...SOUTHERN CONNECTICUT...NORTHEAST NEW JERSEY AND SOUTHEAST

NEW YORK.

.DAY ONE...THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT.

NO HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...SATURDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.

THE LATEST FORECAST MODELS SHOW AN INTENSIFYING LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM

MOVING NORTHEAST ACROSS PENNSYLVANIA AND UPSTATE NEW YORK TUESDAY AS

A STRONG HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM MOVES SLOWLY EAST ACROSS THE WESTERN

ATLANTIC OCEAN.

IT IS STILL TOO EARLY TO DETERMINING WHERE AND WHEN THE HEAVIEST RAIN

WILL FALL...STRONGEST WINDS WILL OCCUR...POTENTIAL FOR SEVERE

WEATHER WILL OCCUR AND COASTAL FLOODING WILL OCCUR.

THIS SYSTEM WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE A WIDESPREAD RAINFALL

FROM 1 TO 3 INCHES WITH ISOLATED HIGHER AMOUNTS...SUSTAINED WINDS OF

25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH...SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS AND

MINOR TO MODERATE COASTAL FLOODING MAINLY DURING TUESDAY AND

TUESDAY NIGHT.

STAY TUNED TO THE POTENTIAL ISSUANCE OF WATCHES FOR THIS SYSTEM.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

SPOTTER ACTIVATION IS NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

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I want to be excited but after these past few let downs since im near the coast, not expecting very much. I would be SHOCKED if i got a severe storm. Anyway your right this storm looks potent for sure we'll see as the event gets closer i guess

All of those events have been strong cold fronts or even a mini derecho. This is gonna be the seasons first Nor'Easter!

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Yeah I don't think this would really be a severe weather event. Though it could be a multifaceted storm with some parts of the area getting severe storms while most areas get a wind driven heavy rain nor'easter type event.

What's also interesting is the lack of heat in the long term. While I don't necessarily buy the GFS it essentially says no 80s the rest of the month.

All of those events have been strong cold fronts or even a mini derecho. This is gonna be the seasons first Nor'Easter!

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Yeah I don't think this would really be a severe weather event. Though it could be a multifaceted storm with some parts of the area getting severe storms while most areas get a wind driven heavy rain nor'easter type event.

What's also interesting is the lack of heat in the long term. While I don't necessarily buy the GFS it essentially says no 80s the rest of the month.

We are expecting surface low pressure and an associated robust shortwave with its vortmax to eject from the central states to Upstate New York. This does not have any nor'easter aspects to it. I don't see any coastal development. We will also see a digging trough that will negatively tilt, which is a classic signature of strong severe weather outbreaks. The SPC already has parts of the NE highlighted for Days 4-5 for at least 30% probs. We don't need much CAPE/sun/instability for this event as we will have plenty of upper-level dynamics and forcing.

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Nice little warm sector on the 06z DGEX. Timing isnt great for severe weather (06-12z) but I suppose if we could get a warm front near the area we could see some isolated spinups or gusty winds especially with such a potent shortwave just off to our northwest.

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Look at the cool air right behind this storm. 540 Thicknesses are diving pretty far south for September and are into Michigan. The pattern seems pretty amplified, which will hopefully continue into the winter.

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GFS has a very potent LLJ. 55 knot wind at 950 hpa. Still more than three days out, but the potential is there for some strong winds with this system.

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The 18z NAM realizes this potential. With stronger convection, some of the higher winds aloft from the LLJ could be mixed down to the surface:

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The strongest convection has additionally yet to reach the area as well.

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Yeah I would think this would be a case of widespread gusts of 30-40 outside of the squalls and then some severe gusts in the squalls themselves, just because of how strong the winds appear to be just off the surface. An isolated tor can't be ruled out.

Nice little warm sector on the 06z DGEX. Timing isnt great for severe weather (06-12z) but I suppose if we could get a warm front near the area we could see some isolated spinups or gusty winds especially with such a potent shortwave just off to our northwest.

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the guy on Channel 7 did not have the rain starting until late Tuesday afternoon or evening, if this 6zGFS is right this will be a total non event with all the best dynamics probably up north.

A further NW track = less rainfall = less cloud debris = more destabilization in the warm sector = more buoyancy for the convection.

Let's see if this is a trend with the 12z model suite, though.

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