Damage In Tolland Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Snow in Buffalo next weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Snow in Buffalo next weekend? Im not sure but Nadine might make landfall in Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Since everyone else has chimed in about departures in September so far, I figured I'd add the BTV climate sites from Vermont to round out New England... Burlington...+1.8F (-0.3F over the past 12 days with 1 day with a low in the 30s) Morrisville-Stowe...+0.6F (-2.0F over the past 12 days with 6 days of lows in the 30s) Montpelier...-0.3F (-2.8F over the last 12 days with 5 days of lows in the 30s) Saint Johnsbury...-2.0F (-4.3F over the past 12 days with 4 days of lows in the 30s) *I'm skeptical of the 1V4 departures but that's what the F6 says. I take away a few things from these stats... first off, the the first week of the month was a torch (departure wise) but a lot of that was due to high minimum temperatures. For example, at Morrisville-Stowe Airport at the beginning of the month, we had one day that was 83/42 for a total departure of +1F. The high of 83F is warm, but a 41 degree drop to 42F for the low was equally as cold relative to normal. In the following days, we torched at night and the lows were 60F, 58F, 58F for a +11, +9, +9 on the dailies. The cold overnight temperatures over the last 12 days have definitely played a big role in our temperature departures being so cold since the 8th. Even with some warm daytime temperatures we have been able to come away with negative departures, such as on September 17th when here at MVL the high was a warm 78F, but the low was 34F (a nice 44F diurnal change). 5 of the last 6 mornings have seen lows in the 30s: 39F, 35F, 36F, 45F, 34F, 36F. Given the upcoming pattern, I expect that all the interior VT mountain valley sites finish September below normal (BTV in the CPV will be above). I'd love to see a composite of departures across New England from June 1st to now... as I bet this area has been one of the cooler spots since June 1 relative to normal across New England. When SNE was torching in July, this area was near normal with MPV/1V4 below normal, mostly thanks to overnight mins and a lot of mornings in the 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I wonder what the earliest recorded snowfall in SNE was? Besides Magic Land of course ORH put up a trace on 9/30/92...I actually was outside when it happened that day. I am unaware of any official measurable snow in September in SNE...though I'm sure it has happened going back far. Might need to go back 400 or 500 years though, lol. The earliest measurable in SNE I am aware of is 10/4/87 which was a huge storm in the Taconics down to NW CT and even in the Hudson Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Low clouds this morning even here at work. definitely did not expect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 ORH put up a trace on 9/30/92...I actually was outside when it happened that day. I am unaware of any official measurable snow in September in SNE...though I'm sure it has happened going back far. Might need to go back 400 or 500 years though, lol. The earliest measurable in SNE I am aware of is 10/4/87 which was a huge storm in the Taconics down to NW CT and even in the Hudson Valley. I bet I can come up with the date of the earliest 2' storm in SNE....... Low clouds this morning even here at work. definitely did not expect that. Yeah, pretty murkey. Hopefully can keep in the 60's and be finished with the 70's for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Low clouds this morning even here at work. definitely did not expect that. misty drizzle and cool 53 degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 misty drizzle and cool 53 degrees Sounds horrific.;0 Mostly sunny 58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Muuurky turkey here Soccer and 51. Apples later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Anything interesting on the euro last night? Still hinting at a early season dust cropping for the presidentials end of month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Riddle me this...why was this morning my coldest of the season in a WAA regime? 45.7 was the low with breath visible during my run..I could see thick fog in the valley while the sun was shining brightly above on the hills where i was. Was there some kind of cool air inversion around 800-1,000 feet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Riddle me this...why was this morning my coldest of the season in a WAA regime? 45.7 was the low with breath visible during my run..I could see thick fog in the valley while the sun was shining brightly above on the hills where i was. Was there some kind of cool air inversion around 800-1,000 feet? You cooled off right before the clouds and inv came in. You are surprisingly cooler than ORH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 You cooled off right before the clouds and inv came in. You are surprisingly cooler than ORH. Yeah really odd. I can't figure out the reasoning. The fog never came in here. Sunny, beautiful morning,,but it was def foggy in the lower els. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Yeah really odd. I can't figure out the reasoning. The fog never came in here. Sunny, beautiful morning,,but it was def foggy in the lower els. Peaks of Mt Tolland above the inversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Peaks of Mt Tolland above the inversion. but why would we be cooler than everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 but why would we be cooler than everyone else? It's possible you cooled a little more as compared to ORH because you did not fog in. But, that's kind of weird to see that discrepancy. That's like GC magic right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Monday Night could be darn cold in the typical radiating spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 BOS 0.1 for the month now and PVD at -0.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Euro ensembles still showing a warm up during the first week of October? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Euro ensembles still showing a warm up during the first week of October? Yep. Although not a torch for everyone as high pressure will be nearby and might be onshore flow here. Still looks mild to possible warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Yep. Although not a torch for everyone as high pressure will be nearby and might be onshore flow here. Still looks mild to possible warm. 11-15 day period still showing a sign of GOA ridging and a return to eastern troughing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 It's possible you cooled a little more as compared to ORH because you did not fog in. But, that's kind of weird to see that discrepancy. That's like GC magic right there. It's almost like I radiated lol. It was dead calm..and maybe with the inversion lower..i actually was able to radiate?? Does that even make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 11-15 day period still showing a sign of GOA ridging and a return to eastern troughing? It's a weak signal. Certainly no arctic chill in the beginning of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 11-15 day period still showing a sign of GOA ridging and a return to eastern troughing? It's a torch..just like the weeklies showed. Accept it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 It's almost like I radiated lol. It was dead calm..and maybe with the inversion lower..i actually was able to radiate?? Does that even make sense? Well the inversion was above you....the fog was probably typical valley fog I guess. You probably just slowly cooler enough given the cool temps yesterday aftn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 It's almost like I radiated lol. It was dead calm..and maybe with the inversion lower..i actually was able to radiate?? Does that even make sense? Did you have an "undercast" this morning above the fog layer? Those are mornings where I'm sometimes cooler than CON. I keep cooling some as the top of the fog layer continues to rise/grow via radiative cooling while CON is socked in to the 1/4SM FG VV001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 but why would we be cooler than everyone else? Were your winds calm? I see that every once in a while around here. The lowest elevations fill with fog, but it's actually coldest just above the fog. Actually last week we had it at 35F and fog at 700-800ft, and 32F, clear with frost at 900-1200ft, then above 1200ft the temp jumped to the upper 30s. Probably something similar near you where I bet you go up another couple hundred feet you'd find the warm mixed layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Lol there are people walking around with winter hats and gloves...wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Were your winds calm? I see that every once in a while around here. The lowest elevations fill with fog, but it's actually coldest just above the fog. Actually last week we had it at 35F and fog at 700-800ft, and 32F, clear with frost at 900-1200ft, then above 1200ft the temp jumped to the upper 30s. Probably something similar near you where I bet you go up another couple hundred feet you'd find the warm mixed layer. Yeah there was zero wind..and what was really atypical for me..is as I ran down in elevation around 650 feet it was noticeably warmer..That happens during the day everyday..but not at night/earl;y morning on radiating nights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Did you have an "undercast" this morning above the fog layer? Those are mornings where I'm sometimes cooler than CON. I keep cooling some as the top of the fog layer continues to rise/grow via radiative cooling while CON is socked in to the 1/4SM FG VV001. Where i was was completely clear..other than some patchy ground fog..but below about 500 feet i could see a thick fog bank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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