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September banter/boredom thread


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This must be how Hunchback radiates so well at 1100 feet. he just plummets on calm nights for such a high elevation

There's a lot of elevated valleys up in that direction becase where he is there are like 3 or 4 different ridgelines that go up above 1200 feet and if you are in between them, you will be in a great spot to radiate...and the valleys in between those ridge lines in the Gardner/Phillipston/Hubbardston area only get down to like 1000 feet on a lot of them.

Ashburnham is another place that has some ridiculous radiating spots...there's swampland there at 1100 feet surrounded by 1300-1400 foot hills

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I do get frost occasionally in the winter..seems like it happens mostly as we head twds spring though..Don't recall too much frost in the mid winter..or even early winter.

I wonder what the reason is

In Spring the boundary layer has moisture and you get those days with high pressure nearby that may be in the mid 40s during the day and you cool just enough at night to get frost. It's tough to get mid winter with a wind usually blowing around and even with a high overhead...the dewpoint is probably too low for you to reach via radiational cooling.

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There's a lot of elevated valleys up in that direction becase where he is there are like 3 or 4 different ridgelines that go up above 1200 feet and if you are in between them, you will be in a great spot to radiate...and the valleys in between those ridge lines in the Gardner/Phillipston/Hubbardston area only get down to like 1000 feet on a lot of them.

Ashburnham is another place that has some ridiculous radiating spots...there's swampland there at 1100 feet surrounded by 1300-1400 foot hills

Yeah that's why NE VT gets so cold...it's more rolling hills than the Greens down the center of the state, but with a high average elevation. Valleys are between 1000-1500ft up there with hills of 2000-2500ft. Burke Mountain is the biggest one around and over 3000ft, but the coldest temps come from those towns situated around the many small lakes/ponds/marshes up there at like 1500ft surrounded by 2000ft hills.

It doesn't take much to form a terrain depression and it doesnt have to be like 4000ft mountains. You just need terrain that's like a few hundred feet higher around you and the higher your starting elevation the colder you'll get.

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Exhausting day, glad its over but much left to be done.

Today was a fantastic early fall day, looking forward to a few more..........September to Remember for sure and yesterday and last night just made it better. The streak at BDR lives on, might be close this month but still think it ends on the positive side but who knows, and who cares. I have followed it for 18 months now, its been an exhausting journey and has surpassed my wildest expectations and the record books.

In the end mother nature usually balances herself out, and eventually the pendulum will swing back in the other direction. Extremes is what drives my love for weather, and this has certainly been that obliterating the old record by 6 months so far. However, my journey with this ongoing event has come to a completion, its time for leaves, costumes, football cider and Festivus Lightings.

Looks like a chilly night, looking forward to it very much.

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Hey Scott, how do the places W of Mansfield usually do? Like Jericho, Underhill etc? I got 300" for Underhill when I looked, I assume that's Mansfield's summit amount haha.

They get a lot of "snowfall" but aren't the best at snow retention or building a snowpack. They get the warm air intrusions on SW flow from the Champlain Valley that eats the fluffy snowpack quickly sometimes. Often in SWFE, Underhill will be 36F and rain while in Stowe we have sleet at 30F on the east side of the spine.

However they get amazing snowfall and in 2010-2011 the Underhill CoCoRAHS station at 1,000ft recorded 220" compared to Stowe Village's 150". So they do get good enhancement over there.

You'll be hard pressed to find a spot in New England at 1,000ft that can get over 200" of snowfall...but Underhill/Jerhico/Bolton and JSpin's area can do it if you measure the fluff on a snowboard religiously all winter.

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Have you ever been up to the Great North Woods? Errol over to Pittsburg NH? It's one of the most wildest places I've ever been too. The only thing missing, are bison.

Sorta once, but I'd like to go again an explore. I was up around Dummer/Milan. BML airport is technically in Milan and I took some pics of the ASOS. I'd like to get up to the Connecticut Lakes region. It's another world up there.
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They get a lot of "snowfall" but aren't the best at snow retention or building a snowpack. They get the warm air intrusions on SW flow from the Champlain Valley that eats the fluffy snowpack quickly sometimes. Often in SWFE, Underhill will be 36F and rain while in Stowe we have sleet at 30F on the east side of the spine.

However they get amazing snowfall and in 2010-2011 the Underhill CoCoRAHS station at 1,000ft recorded 220" compared to Stowe Village's 150". So they do get good enhancement over there.

You'll be hard pressed to find a spot in New England at 1,000ft that can get over 200" of snowfall...but Underhill/Jerhico/Bolton and JSpin's area can do it if you measure the fluff on a snowboard religiously all winter.

This is what happens on the west side of the Berkshires too...there's areas just to the west of the spine that average well over 100" of snow but cannot retain it nearly as well as areas lower down and to the east like where the magic of West Chesterfield transcends the land...and those areas probably average in the 80-85" range (below 1500 feet). They'll get 1-3" of leftover fluff on top of their dense snow while the west slope might get a foot of feathers...then a week later after 1 or 2 cutters, it can be torched away while Pete still has a frozen glacier.

I know Mitch has seen this before too...a little further west in Lenox.

I've even noticed that frequently my area up to Hubbdave will have a much deeper snow pack than even up in the Champlain Valley...esp if there's been a few CAD systems where the primary goes through BUF and ART.

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Sorta once, but I'd like to go again an explore. I was up around Dummer/Milan. BML airport is technically in Milan and I took some pics of the ASOS. I'd like to get up to the Connecticut Lakes region. It's another world up there.

A co-worker of mine goes up there for fishing and snowmobiling in the winter and says the same thing. Those lakes are frozen through May..lol. I'll have to find the link for the wx station up there.

Edit: found it. http://www.johnsnhweather.com/

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This is what happens on the west side of the Berkshires too...there's areas just to the west of the spine that average well over 100" of snow but cannot retain it nearly as well as areas lower down and to the east like where the magic of West Chesterfield transcends the land...and those areas probably average in the 80-85" range (below 1500 feet). They'll get 1-3" of leftover fluff on top of their dense snow while the west slope might get a foot of feathers...then a week later after 1 or 2 cutters, it can be torched away while Pete still has a frozen glacier.

I know Mitch has seen this before too...a little further west in Lenox.

I've even noticed that frequently my area up to Hubbdave will have a much deeper snow pack than even up in the Champlain Valley...esp if there's been a few CAD systems where the primary goes through BUF and ART.

Exactly. They get a lot of snowfall in the amount of flakes that fall from the sky but I bet snow depth days are significantly higher to the east of the spine/crest.

Up here is essentially the Berkshire climo but enhanced due to the size of the terrain. Here in Stowe (I'm talking inhabited towns not ski area) we don't jackpot on upslope events like the west slope of Underhill does. However we also don't get shut out and can get ripped pretty good...but usually in bigger events like last February, Underhill will get like 30" to our 18-20". Or if they get two feet we might get 15". But a week later after a SWFE with IP/ZR due to a 3000ft thick cold layer locked in by the Spine here while they rain...they could see 30" of feathers down to 3-6" while we have a glazed foot left over. I'm pretty positive the west side of the MTN gets more snowfall but here on the east side we beat them in snow depth days so it's a give and take. Of course where the ski area is on the east slope of the actual mountain, you get the best of both worlds: tons of snow and great preservation.

And regarding ORH vs Champlain Valley...absolutely you have more snow after a thaw. The CPV is the worst snow retaining place in New England outside of CT (we'll see who bites on that one). It's essentially a continuation of the Hudson Valley. It definitely gets a little better in the western slope foothills just cause there is some sheltered spots, but you're warming quickly on SWFE right up the valley regardless of where you are west of the crest.

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