Brian5671 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Thats cool, but it keeps getting pushed back a bit, looks like if it does happen its beyond the 25th......pretty normal stuff for this time of the year up until early November as models like to rush things. What a day! 75 and sunny.........wish this could last forever. it was a good 2 week run. Bring on the rain and wind. We need it. Lawn looks like Arizona. Just 1.30 inches of rain at BDR since 8/19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 it was a good 2 week run. Bring on the rain and wind. We need it. Lawn looks like Arizona. Just 1.30 inches of rain at BDR since 8/19 Super dry I was supposed to do a ton of overseeding today but the ground is hard as a rock, with convective rains the rain will just wash the seed away. Hope nobody has seeded or fertilized last two days, waste of money. Wish we could get a synoptic rain event, but with low pressure systems passing to our west I fear it mostly hit or miss convective tstorms and such. Wish this darn trough would move east so we could get a coastal to move up the coast east of us. Looks like July out there right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Super dry I was supposed to do a ton of overseeding today but the ground is hard as a rock, with convective rains the rain will just wash the seed away. Hope nobody has seeded or fertilized last two days, waste of money. Wish we could get a synoptic rain event, but with low pressure systems passing to our west I fear it mostly hit or miss convective tstorms and such. Wish this darn trough would move east so we could get a coastal to move up the coast east of us. Looks like July out there right now. Lol if we miss another one here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 That was my point...that on average I'll take hills over valleys for snowfall retention. I'm sure there's snowdepth day data to show it. Obviously there's exceptions. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but it's tough to make long posts on an iphone. My point was that I'm happy with something in between - not a hill top and not the valley bottom. Just a happy mix of both. Yeah I'll miss out on a few inches of snow but I'll also radiate well in both summer and winter and have a happy mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Thats cool, but it keeps getting pushed back a bit, looks like if it does happen its beyond the 25th......pretty normal stuff for this time of the year up until early November as models like to rush things. What a day! 75 and sunny.........wish this could last forever. Wed and Thu may be slightly below normal in WNE post fropa...especially upslope regions of VT and the Berks. After that we warm up for a few days. Then we just have to iron out the details of that next trough. It'll probably all avg out near seasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Wed and Thu may be slightly below normal in WNE post fropa...especially upslope regions of VT and the Berks. After that we warm up for a few days. Then we just have to iron out the details of that next trough. It'll probably all avg out near seasonable. I agree, do not see anything well below or above.......just a september to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Lol if we miss another one here... Its going to rain but the 15 minute downpour does nothing, nothing at all. I was doing water absorbing tests today, for the most part the water just sat on top of the soil, not soaking in because its so hard and dry. These low dews really aid the drying process this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 70.0F for the high perfect mid Sept day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Nice gentle seabreeze here. Low 70s at my hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 My point was that I'm happy with something in between - not a hill top and not the valley bottom. Just a happy mix of both. Yeah I'll miss out on a few inches of snow but I'll also radiate well in both summer and winter and have a happy mix. I won't keep belaboring it, but I guess I just don't think of hillsides as great spots for radiational cooling as the sfc cold generated mostly drains and pools into the surrounding lower els. But in general I agree...I'm about 200ft above the Winnipesaukee River just to my north and my hill continues up to around 900ft at the top. I think my ideal spot up here for maximizing snow, yet minimizing the over the top torches, would be around 1000ft...or something like Gene's location in Bridgewater, NH. Anything higher and those tail end CAD systems would infuriate me. I remember a handful of winter days driving to Plymouth where I would leave here in the 30s, shoot up to near 50F through the high crosswind area on I93 in Ashland (as my windows completely fog up), and then drop back into the 30s as I get near campus. We've actually had days where we've seen inversion delta T's of 15-20F between the Davis on the roof of the met building vs down along the Pemigewasset River.Of course the best location is in West Chesterfield where you have the best of every world...the greatest snow, greatest depth, coldest highs, best radiating, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I agree, do not see anything well below or above.......just a september to remember. Yeah...this may be a record breaking boring September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Yeah...this may be a record breaking boring September. They usually are, I always remember Septembers to be warm sunny days and cool nights with bouts of humidity down here, great weather for just about anything and everything. Hopefully as we move into October we can translate this trough east and get some coastals! Hopefully 2013 is the return of the storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 I won't keep belaboring it, but I guess I just don't think of hillsides as great spots for radiational cooling as the sfc cold generated mostly drains and pools into the surrounding lower els. But in general I agree...I'm about 200ft above the Winnipesaukee River just to my north and my hill continues up to around 900ft at the top. I think my ideal spot up here for maximizing snow, yet minimizing the over the top torches, would be around 1000ft...or something like Gene's location in Bridgewater, NH. Anything higher and those tail end CAD systems would infuriate me. I remember a handful of winter days driving to Plymouth where I would leave here in the 30s, shoot up to near 50F through the high crosswind area on I93 in Ashland (as my windows completely fog up), and then drop back into the 30s as I get near campus. We've actually had days where we've seen inversion delta T's of 15-20F between the Davis on the roof of the met building vs down along the Pemigewasset River. Of course the best location is in West Chesterfield where you have the best of every world...the greatest snow, greatest depth, coldest highs, best radiating, etc. It just does not like to go above freezing from your area and north between 500-1000'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 It just does not like to go above freezing from your area and north between 500-1000'. Yeah...those days can be pretty neat. As good as it is here, the little area from Plymouth to Center Harbor to Tamworth puts up a hell of a fight in even some of the most impressive winter torches. I like when the MAV pukes out an afternoon 48F BKN for LCI and it ends up verifying near 33F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Yeah...those days can be pretty neat. As good as it is here, the little area from Plymouth to Center Harbor to Tamworth puts up a hell of a fight in even some of the most impressive winter torches. I like when the MAV pukes out an afternoon 48F BKN for LCI and it ends up verifying near 33F. I'm always impressed how it holds on there on the east and southeast sides of the high terrain, but it's easy to see why. There was one event in February I think where I was so surprised at you getting ZR when it seemed like it would be impossible. The cold air just held tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Nice cold shot on the Euro days 9-10..but you can already see the torch building in behind it..so it looks like one and done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Low of 35/ high of 76 here in Plymouth. Nice 41F spread from this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Nice cold shot on the Euro days 9-10..but you can already see the torch building in behind it..so it looks like one and done Guessing on a post d10 op prog are we? Luckily the ensembles don't agree about a torch returning. There is the chance for early October to warm a little as the flow relaxes a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Hopefully this winter the warmth and torch will always be 10 days away instead of the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Yeah...those days can be pretty neat. As good as it is here, the little area from Plymouth to Center Harbor to Tamworth puts up a hell of a fight in even some of the most impressive winter torches. I like when the MAV pukes out an afternoon 48F BKN for LCI and it ends up verifying near 33F. I was always impressed with the low level cold air trapping up in C NH during cold season WAA events. Although my seasonal snowfall is probably pretty similar to yours in the mid 70s, my snowpack retention leaves a lot to be desired compared to your area on up to Plymouth and Tamworth. I rarely get snowpacks greater than 18" here, and most winters it is less (typically 8-12"). My peak depth in early February 2011 was around 28". I remember times when the area east of Mt. Cardigan around Newfound Lake would have a snowpack, while the west side out near Canaan has nothing. I'm always impressed how it holds on there on the east and southeast sides of the high terrain, but it's easy to see why. There was one event in February I think where I was so surprised at you getting ZR when it seemed like it would be impossible. The cold air just held tight. Same thing happens around here on the east slope of the Berks, but it's more impressive up in Brian's area. Low of 35/ high of 76 here in Plymouth. Nice 41F spread from this morning. Where was the 35° F reading from? Roof of Boyd had 37.6° F, while K1P1 had 32° F. The Baker Valley radiated well last night. They'll often have trouble decoupling in W to NW winds out there, but last night was one of those nights when they went calm early and radiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Wow, copper head bit a hiker on Mt Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Thats cool, but it keeps getting pushed back a bit, looks like if it does happen its beyond the 25th......pretty normal stuff for this time of the year up until early November as models like to rush things. What a day! 75 and sunny.........wish this could last forever. I'd give up all of our snow if we could have this kind of weather year round, though I'd like it about 5-10 degrees cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Wow, ring snake licked a homeowner on Mt Tolland FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Wow, copper head bit a hiker on Mt Tom. Probably making it's way into my basement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 yeah just saw that on the news that sucks and they are putting more up there give me a break Wow, copper head bit a hiker on Mt Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 We have rattlesnakes nearby here at Blue Hills for whatever reason. There is literally a handful of them, but they were found on the eastern part of the chain in Quincy 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I won't keep belaboring it, but I guess I just don't think of hillsides as great spots for radiational cooling as the sfc cold generated mostly drains and pools into the surrounding lower els. But in general I agree...I'm about 200ft above the Winnipesaukee River just to my north and my hill continues up to around 900ft at the top. I think my ideal spot up here for maximizing snow, yet minimizing the over the top torches, would be around 1000ft...or something like Gene's location in Bridgewater, NH. From November 27th last year... most bizarre thing I've ever seen around here. Looking at the pictures still boggles my mind. Lower left side of photo where fields are brown is elevations of 1,200ft and higher. All the white fields are down in town and along the river at 700-1000ft. This is what happened to our Thanksgiving snowstorm last year... stuck around in the valley for a couple days after it melted at the ski resort thanks to low level cold. 1,400ft near base of ski resort... brown. 800ft in town... white. 1,500ft base of resort... brown. 800ft in town... white (same day as photo from above, just taken in the evening after morning sun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I remember that now. That was after the 11/23 SWFE. I still had 3" OTG on the morning of the 27th and I'm at 614ft. There was practically no wind from 11/25-11/27 here and with the low sun angle and snowpack the lower elevations just couldn't mix out. My daily peak gusts those 3 days were 8mph, 5mph, 5mph. BTV torched with a gusty S wind on the 27th and got up to 58F. The high here that day was only 43.8F and most of the day was spent in the 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Why do people stress if we're not in locked in cold by late September? Have we ever gone 10/1-4/1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Why do people stress if we're not in locked in cold by late September? Have we ever gone 10/1-4/1? Exactly. Who cares. I think what we do want, is a cooler than normal October. That has a decent correlation as Will has said before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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