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I could see 3-5 Tors from NYC on north early next week

Are you ever not the most optimistic person in the room?

I'd be pretty skeptical based on the 500 pattern alone. It's not as good as last time, though it's a ways out still.

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Can't wait for more 40s and 50s this weekend.

Sunny days and cool nights........great stuff. Next week may perhaps be a very different story, not sure how far north the high dews make it but thats an impressive southerly fetch. By the way I have seen some posts across the board in various places that this would be a great winter pattern, trough axis to me is all wrong, the Upper Plains and western lakes sure, but that screams eastern lakes or HV runner to me.

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Sunny days and cool nights........great stuff. Next week may perhaps be a very different story, not sure how far north the high dews make it but thats an impressive southerly fetch. By the way I have seen some posts across the board in various places that this would be a great winter pattern, trough axis to me is all wrong, the Upper Plains and western lakes sure, but that screams eastern lakes or HV runner to me.

Ahhhh......well, don't forget wavelengths would probably be a little different and cold air tends to spread out as it becomes more shallow in depth. The general look of the pattern is decent to me...especially after next week.

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Agreed. If not than, it will be in the next cool shot for sure. The 18z GFS is downright cold in the long term.

You know it!

This is chilly for the end of the month.

Lets hope so! I have gone chilly for October even though I think we warm towards the end of the month into November, but I am hoping for a cold Halloweenie, warm Halloweens suck big time, and I put up the Festivus lights Nov1

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Some average dates of last occurrence for high temps...

   HIGH TEMP AVERAGE DATE LAST FALL OCCURRENCE 
ID     80+      75+      70+      65+      60+
---  ------   ------   ------   ------   ------
ALB  Sep 25   Oct 11   Oct 31   Nov 15   Dec  5
BDL  Oct  1   Oct 21   Nov  9   Nov 22   Dec 16
BDR  Sep 24   Oct  8   Oct 26   Nov 16   Dec  9
BGR  Sep 17   Sep 29   Oct  9   Oct 31   Nov 17
BOS  Sep 29   Oct 19   Nov  8   Nov 26   Dec 24
BTV  Sep 18   Oct  1   Oct 21   Nov 13   Nov 26
CAR  Sep  3   Sep 21   Oct  2   Oct 13   Oct 30
CON  Sep 28   Oct 14   Oct 31   Nov 17   Nov 28
EWR  Oct  8   Oct 24   Nov 19   Dec 14   Dec 30
ISP  Sep 24   Oct 10   Oct 31   Nov 21   Dec 15
JFK  Sep 25   Oct 15   Nov  4   Nov 24   Dec 12
LGA  Oct  4   Oct 23   Nov  7   Nov 30   Dec 25
NYC  Sep 30   Oct 22   Nov 10   Dec  4   Dec 28
ORH  Sep 15   Oct  2   Oct 27   Nov 12   Dec  2
PVD  Sep 26   Oct 17   Nov  4   Nov 25   Dec 25
PWM  Sep 21   Oct  2   Oct 22   Nov  9   Nov 24

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Some average dates of last occurrence for high temps...

HIGH TEMP AVERAGE DATE LAST FALL OCCURRENCE
ID 80+ 75+ 70+ 65+ 60+
--- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------
ALB Sep 25 Oct 11 Oct 31 Nov 15 Dec 5
BDL Oct 1 Oct 21 Nov 9 Nov 22 Dec 16
BDR Sep 24 Oct 8 Oct 26 Nov 16 Dec 9
BGR Sep 17 Sep 29 Oct 9 Oct 31 Nov 17
BOS Sep 29 Oct 19 Nov 8 Nov 26 Dec 24
BTV Sep 18 Oct 1 Oct 21 Nov 13 Nov 26
CAR Sep 3 Sep 21 Oct 2 Oct 13 Oct 30
CON Sep 28 Oct 14 Oct 31 Nov 17 Nov 28
EWR Oct 8 Oct 24 Nov 19 Dec 14 Dec 30
ISP Sep 24 Oct 10 Oct 31 Nov 21 Dec 15
JFK Sep 25 Oct 15 Nov 4 Nov 24 Dec 12
LGA Oct 4 Oct 23 Nov 7 Nov 30 Dec 25
NYC Sep 30 Oct 22 Nov 10 Dec 4 Dec 28
ORH Sep 15 Oct 2 Oct 27 Nov 12 Dec 2
PVD Sep 26 Oct 17 Nov 4 Nov 25 Dec 25
PWM Sep 21 Oct 2 Oct 22 Nov 9 Nov 24

Interesting that BTV has a later date for last 80F than ORH but then they have an earlier last 70F. But then ORH is earlier than them (by one day) for average last day of 65F....then BTV is earlier again for last 60F day.

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Looking at data from last month compared to August 2011 its obvious things arent the same this year. Take a look at the QBO30! Easterly QBO supports continued blocking along with a warmer stratosphere. Things are getting interesting.

Comparing August 2011 to August 2012 data.

NAO: Same this year (September 2011 was positive)

August 2011: -1.85

August 2012: -1.39

PNA Neutral this year, Positive last year

August 2011: +1.40

August 2012: -.20

AO Neutral this year, Positive last year

August 2011: +1.06

August 2012: +.01

AAO Positive this year, Negative last year

August 2011: -1.20

August 2012: +.489

AMO Warmer this year

August 2011: +.186

August 2012: + .474

PDO Same this year

August 2011: -1.86

August 2012: -1.93

QBO30 Stronger Easterly this year

August 2011: -0.49

August 2012: -27.94!

QBO50 Easterly this year, Westerly last year

August 2011: +9.06

August 2012: -9.76

EPO: Positive this year, Negative last year

August 2011: -.67

August 2012: +.63

Stratosphere Warmer this year

July 2011: -.51

July 2012: -.37

Enso: La Nina Last year, Neutral/Nino this year

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It would be nice to get rid of some of these bugs around here

SUNDAY INTO MONDAY

HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD INTO THE NORTHEAST ON SUNDAY INTO MONDAY.

THIS WILL ALLOW FOR LIGHT WINDS AND COOLER TEMPS. FALL LIKE WEATHER

WILL USHER IN WITH MAX TEMPS REACHING THE UPPER 60S TO LOW 70S ON

SUNDAY. AS HIGH PRESSURE MOVES OVER THE REGION WITH LOW TEMPS WILL MOSTLY

LIKELY RADIATE OUT THANKS TO CLEAR SKIES AND LIGHT WINDS. LOW TEMPS

ON SAT NIGHT AND SUN NIGHT WILL FALL INTO THE MID 30S TO LOW 40S.

SUNDAY NIGHT LOOKS LIKE THE COOLEST...WITH PERHAPS FROST POTENTIALLY.

WINDS WILL BEGIN TO SWITCH TO THE SOUTH BY MONDAY ALLOWING FOR WAA

TO OCCUR. THIS WILL HELP INCREASE TEMPS ACROSS THE AREA AS THERMAL

RIDGE MOVES IN. EXPECT MAX TEMPS IN THE MID 70S WITH LOWS IN THE MID

50S.

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Screaming south winds, should be no issues with inversion, if there is convection involved will mix down efficiently, right now convection lags 850 winds per Euro, if not then Kevs heavy heavy damage enroute.

Get excited.

Meanwhile, no way this will verify at KPIT, but nice to see the first 30's in the forecast:

Today: Sunny. Patchy fog this morning. Highs in the upper 70s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming south this afternoon.

Tonight: Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with scattered showers after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west after midnight. Chance of rain 50 percent.

Saturday: Sunny. Scattered showers in the morning. Patchy fog in the morning. Cooler with highs in the upper 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.

Saturday Night: Mostly clear. Cooler with lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.

Sunday: Sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.

Sunday Night And Monday: Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s. Highs in the lower 70s.

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