CT Rain Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 http://en.wikipedia....opean_cold_wave Global warming may help us over the next 100 years. Warm waters... stronger baroclinic zone... and our winter snowfall for most of NE is more closely correlated to precip and not temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Radar/sat loop pretty cool today. Convection on strong sea breeze front pushing north with some convection over the hills drifting into the valleys with weak but NW surface flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Warrior commander Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Wow, that was a nice +SHRA that just came through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Global warming may help us over the next 100 years. Warm waters... stronger baroclinic zone... and our winter snowfall for most of NE is more closely correlated to precip and not temps. yep, feedback. Nature abhors an inbalance. Midwest finding that out today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 yep, feedback. Nature abhors an inbalance. Midwest finding that out today. Eventually we'll probably reach a tipping point, especially on the coast, where things just warm too much. But if I owned a ski area in NNE I wouldn't mind another 50-100 years of runaway CO2 emissions lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Eventually we'll probably reach a tipping point, especially on the coast, where things just warm too much. But if I owned a ski area in NNE I wouldn't mind another 50-100 years of runaway CO2 emissions lol. It seems as if the zone of declining snowfall has been moving north slowly, from RIC in the 90s to DC more recently. Not a lot of consistently snowy winters down there.m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 It seems as if the zone of declining snowfall has been moving north slowly, from RIC in the 90s to DC more recently. Not a lot of consistently snowy winters down there.m Yeah but there's a difference between the mid atlantic where seasonal snowfall is closely tied to temperatures as opposed to New England where seasonal snowfall is more closely tied to precipitation. I do think you're right, however, that eventually we'll reach a tipping point where things start going down but we may see an increase before that happens. The ramifications of GW are going to vary widely by region and by season. GW does not necessarily equal less snow... in some areas the opposite will be true at least for a period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 yep, feedback. Nature abhors an inbalance. Midwest finding that out today. i'm sure the warming will stop soon and everything will go back to normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 i'm sure the warming will stop soon and everything will go back to normal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 man o man what a day! September Sensation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Global warming may help us over the next 100 years. Warm waters... stronger baroclinic zone... and our winter snowfall for most of NE is more closely correlated to precip and not temps. Bingo... just posted in the winter thread today that I love warmer than normal temps (slightly like +1F, +2F, even +3F can be ok) during the core of the coldest months because high moisture/PWATS and more snow. It really doesn't matter in terms of snowfall if your average high temperature in January/February is in the low 20s... so what if its +3F? The high is 25F instead of 22F and its generally a wetter pattern. The funny thing is, most days during a synoptic snowstorm comes in with a solid positive departure in NNE...though that's mostly because of a high minimum temp in clouds/snow/precipitation. I get the GW thing at the ski resort a lot... folks are like, won't Global Warming mean no snow and you're all out of a job, etc. Yeah, sure, when the average temperature on the upper mountain is under 15F (and under 25F at the base) for Dec/Jan/Feb we'd need to see one heck of a temp rise to wipe out snowfall. You can have +10F departure days from 2,000ft and up, and its still plenty cold enough to snow. The season may become shorter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Bingo... just posted in the winter thread today that I love warmer than normal temps (slightly like +1F, +2F, even +3F can be ok) during the core of the coldest months because high moisture/PWATS and more snow. It really doesn't matter in terms of snowfall if your average high temperature in January/February is in the low 20s... so what if its +3F? The high is 25F instead of 22F and its generally a wetter pattern. The funny thing is, most days during a synoptic snowstorm comes in with a solid positive departure in NNE...though that's mostly because of a high minimum temp in clouds/snow/precipitation. I get the GW thing at the ski resort a lot... folks are like, won't Global Warming mean no snow and you're all out of a job, etc. Yeah, sure, when the average temperature on the upper mountain is under 15F (and under 25F at the base) for Dec/Jan/Feb we'd need to see one heck of a temp rise to wipe out snowfall. You can have +10F departure days from 2,000ft and up, and its still plenty cold enough to snow. The season may become shorter though. When I was 17 we were warned that the sea rise would take our hometowns coast by 2012 and we would not have a tourist industry. Not to get into a GW debate but meh, the circle of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Bingo... just posted in the winter thread today that I love warmer than normal temps (slightly like +1F, +2F, even +3F can be ok) during the core of the coldest months because high moisture/PWATS and more snow. It really doesn't matter in terms of snowfall if your average high temperature in January/February is in the low 20s... so what if its +3F? The high is 25F instead of 22F and its generally a wetter pattern. The funny thing is, most days during a synoptic snowstorm comes in with a solid positive departure in NNE...though that's mostly because of a high minimum temp in clouds/snow/precipitation. I get the GW thing at the ski resort a lot... folks are like, won't Global Warming mean no snow and you're all out of a job, etc. Yeah, sure, when the average temperature on the upper mountain is under 15F (and under 25F at the base) for Dec/Jan/Feb we'd need to see one heck of a temp rise to wipe out snowfall. You can have +10F departure days from 2,000ft and up, and its still plenty cold enough to snow. The season may become shorter though. Yes, good point. For the meat of the season, however, things should be fine. That's when ski areas make most of their money anyway I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Yes, good point. For the meat of the season, however, things should be fine. That's when ski areas make most of their money anyway I assume. I am waiting for all the major hurricanes the GW folks say are coming. When was the last one anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I am waiting for all the major hurricanes the GW folks say are coming. When was the last one anyways? Eh the literature is pretty clear that most climate scientists aren't expecting an increase in the number of storms.... in fact maybe just the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHUB Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Was at TPC boston today watching the golfers, seemed hotter out there than it was. felt like it was in the high 80s low 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Yes, good point. For the meat of the season, however, things should be fine. That's when ski areas make most of their money anyway I assume. Yeah, but not to get too off-topic into the ski discussion, but the larger impact I could see would be less terrain open during the Christmas-New Years holiday period. As we've seen in recent years, a warmer than normal November and early December can be a problem, as that's the time period when averages are right near freezing. Average temps allow for some snowmaking, below normal is excellent snowmaking, and above normal means no snowmaking. The kicker is that you're then setting yourself back a couple weeks which does have a trickle down effect for Christmas holiday period. By mid December though, averages are low enough that above normal temps generally still support snow, and that's what we saw last year with snowmaking finally really taking off and natural snowfall beginning in mid-December about a week before Christmas. And then on the other end of the spectrum, like last year, we have earlier closings in an above normal pattern in March (although last year was hopefully a burp with 80F at elevation in northern VT in mid March). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I could also envision a scenario where down the road our snowfalls become much more elevation dependent, even in mid-winter if warming continues. I'm not saying what causes it but that it seems widely accepted that warming is occurring. Maybe eventually we hit a tipping point where we turn into a sort of Pacific NW pattern with snows at sea level decreasing while snows from 1,500ft or 2,000ft+ increase with more moisture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 Looks like it poured in Tolland. I'm up in Norfolk Mass for the day. Tropical troubles for us next weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Looks like it poured in Tolland. I'm up in Norfolk Mass for the day. Tropical troubles for us next weekend Yeah it's pouring just south of 84 toward Storrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Eh the literature is pretty clear that most climate scientists aren't expecting an increase in the number of storms.... in fact maybe just the opposite. Merry go round of theories, guess that was last theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Merry go round of theories, guess that was last theory. Really? I haven't really seen anything to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Beautiful... 78/57 here now. I'd like it cooler, but it's pleasant. Yeah it's pouring just south of 84 toward Storrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 No rain here in Coventry just come nice towers around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 It's warming up but I was looking at a display in the Museum of Civilization in Quebec and it showed how the wx was definitely warmer before the "little ice age". Since 1900 we have been coming out of that cold period. The question is are we warming primarily because of mankind or is it a natural cycle to warmer underway... The display was about the Inuits and how their economy was once centered around fishing ...but that largely went away and they had to adapt to the new colder reality with much more sea ice build-up. Really? I haven't really seen anything to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Steve's a denier. But I love the man. Having a debate with Powderfreak. I'm pretty sure that all of SNE wants below normal temps for snow. AOA vs AOB. AOB wins in all of SNE for snow I think. Anyone have the stats? I know it's like that for the cp and the cp is never AOB while the interior is AOA...doesn't happen in winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 New (new!) skis in the morning, then spent the day at a friends camp up in Fitzwilliam, NH, watching towers skirt around...Blue Moon summer almost gone Can't wait to try the new boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Steve's a denier. But I love the man. Having a debate with Powderfreak. I'm pretty sure that all of SNE wants below normal temps for snow. AOA vs AOB. AOB wins in all of SNE for snow I think. Anyone have the stats? I know it's like that for the cp and the cp is never AOB while the interior is AOA...doesn't happen in winter. Color me a skeptic, not impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Really? I haven't really seen anything to the contrary. Ryan, come on man http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070730-hurricane-warming.html http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2005/hurricanes.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Revised winter snow thoughts. ORH 87" PVD 65" BDL 71" BOS 47" Mt Scooteroo 10" Mt Moosup 112" BDR 1.3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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