CoastalWx Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Yeah i was thinking maybe those severe storms and tor's that are crushing HM would roar thru here late night? Might be a soaker kind of 9 mile run tomorrow morning FTL What did he tell you? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Yeah i was thinking maybe those severe storms and tor's that are crushing HM would roar thru here late night? Might be a soaker kind of 9 mile run tomorrow morning FTL Looks like a classic predawn wf soaker here, by the way where is HM have not seen him post in a long time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 For Sultan..His fave band of all time Woman behind 'Sweet Child O' Mine' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Interesting. At the ski area we've been under the impression that we need the rain for good foliage. Several sources have been citing the dry summer potentially causing poor dull foliage...like leaves turn bland color and then fall, whereas moisture might help more robust/vivid color. Maybe the damage is done already, but yesterday's wildfire at 2,000+feet in Mount Mansfield state forest is a good example as to how dry it's been this summer on the whole. The fire was burning under mosses and ground cover that on this mountain is almost always wet and muddy. The best conditions for fall foliage are fairly moist summer followed by a cool/dry autumn...the best conidtions for destroying the remaining chlorophyll in the leaves is abundant sunlight and to a lesser extent, low temperatures. So that is why you want it dry...for the sunlight...though I guess if it was theoretically cloudy but dry all autumn, that wouldn't be very good either. The cool nights are what are key for the leaves producing more sugars which is what makes them that fiery orange-red color (for the leaves that have that ability). You'll notice that the distinction between good foliage seasons and dull ones is the absence or presence of those colors....we will always see the yellows and less fiery oranges every year and some duller reds. But the bright fiery oranges and reds are enhanced by the sugars in the leaves that are produced more rapidly before leaf drop when you have cool/cold nights but not cold enough to freeze the leaf cells. That is why you don't want early hard freezes. A dry summer can stress the trees into leaf drop earlier than normal before the full colors can come out regardless of what fall conditions are like. Hopefully that doesn't happen up north...though they were drier than CNE/SNE so that could be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Looks like a classic predawn wf soaker here, by the way where is HM have not seen him post in a long time? maybe. We've found a way to miss most of the action last few events...today included--the 1st batch completely fell apart coming in here this evening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 screw the leaves...kill the bugs. Bring on a hard freeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 The best conditions for fall foliage are fairly moist summer followed by a cool/dry autumn...the best conidtions for destroying the remaining chlorophyll in the leaves is abundant sunlight and to a lesser extent, low temperatures. So that is why you want it dry...for the sunlight...though I guess if it was theoretically cloudy but dry all autumn, that wouldn't be very good either. The cool nights are what are key for the leaves producing more sugars which is what makes them that fiery orange-red color (for the leaves that have that ability). You'll notice that the distinction between good foliage seasons and dull ones is the absence or presence of those colors....we will always see the yellows and less fiery oranges every year and some duller reds. But the bright fiery oranges and reds are enhanced by the sugars in the leaves that are produced more rapidly before leaf drop when you have cool/cold nights but not cold enough to freeze the leaf cells. That is why you don't want early hard freezes. A dry summer can stress the trees into leaf drop earlier than normal before the full colors can come out regardless of what fall conditions are like. Hopefully that doesn't happen up north...though they were drier than CNE/SNE so that could be an issue. What explains the early peak and subsequent leaf drop in GC this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Good description from Will. Exactly why we need the cooler nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 What explains the early peak and subsequent leaf drop in GC this year? Well, hence it's mystique. Even beats alpine spots 300 miles to its north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 Well, hence it's mystique. Even beats alpine spots 300 miles to its north. All they have left is one final leaf cleanup for the Oak stragglers..Meanwhile the rest of New eng, hasn't done one cleanup yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 The best conditions for fall foliage are fairly moist summer followed by a cool/dry autumn...the best conidtions for destroying the remaining chlorophyll in the leaves is abundant sunlight and to a lesser extent, low temperatures. So that is why you want it dry...for the sunlight...though I guess if it was theoretically cloudy but dry all autumn, that wouldn't be very good either. The cool nights are what are key for the leaves producing more sugars which is what makes them that fiery orange-red color (for the leaves that have that ability). You'll notice that the distinction between good foliage seasons and dull ones is the absence or presence of those colors....we will always see the yellows and less fiery oranges every year and some duller reds. But the bright fiery oranges and reds are enhanced by the sugars in the leaves that are produced more rapidly before leaf drop when you have cool/cold nights but not cold enough to freeze the leaf cells. That is why you don't want early hard freezes. A dry summer can stress the trees into leaf drop earlier than normal before the full colors can come out regardless of what fall conditions are like. Hopefully that doesn't happen up north...though they were drier than CNE/SNE so that could be an issue. Awesome response, Will! This is one of the best explanations about fall foliage I've ever heard...or at least really makes sense to me. Thanks dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 Ryan and Noyes on same page forecasting severe tomorrow Matt Noyes @ MattNoyesNECN Looks like highest chance of damaging t'storms in NewEng Wed will come roughly Noon to 3 PM 45] 8mMatt Noyes @ MattNoyesNECN Combination of healthy thunderstorm cores already, tornado warning down in South Jersey & strong disturbance Wed means severe wx possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Man radar is looking pretty good for a soaking overnight here... models are showing some significant rains of 1-3" overnight in the ART-BTV-BML corridor and radar supports this if it continues to develop and move ENE. Looks good for the northern half of BTV's CWA from MPV north to the border. This will certainly help put some water back into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 When does Noyes not see damaging storms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 When does Noyes not see damaging storms? When Wiz doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 There is a good LLJ tomorrow morning pre dawn. I wonder if we can get some of that convection in here at the time. Instability would be meager though. That LLJ does move east during the day so not the best conditions in the aftn. Almost looks better in the morning if there were to be anything. At least on the GFS. I like seeing a 925mb jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 There is a good LLJ tomorrow morning pre dawn. I wonder if we can get some of that convection in here at the time. Instability would be meager though. That LLJ does move east during the day so not the best conditions in the aftn. Almost looks better in the morning if there were to be anything. At least on the GFS. I like seeing a 925mb jet. I drove the Monson/Brimfield route this past weekend. Amazing to see the path of damage thru the center on Monson and then Brimfield..right smack thru those hilltops. Those hills are eerily similar to the hilltops around here. I always thought living on hilltops would be almost impossible to have a TOR move thru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 I drove the Monson/Brimfield route this past weekend. Amazing to see the path of damage thru the center on Monson and then Brimfield..right smack thru those hilltops. Those hills are eerily similar to the hilltops around here. I always thought living on hilltops would be almost impossible to have a TOR move thru. Well there is a reason as to why tornadoes sometimes lift or dissipate at they hit a mtn. Coming down a hill can actually do the opposite. Those hills in the area weren't a match for the dynamics at play. Actually, one of the big tornadoes from the OV outbreak in the beginning of March went right into the mtns of WV too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 Well there is a reason as to why tornadoes sometimes lift or dissipate at they hit a mtn. Coming down a hill can actually do the opposite. Those hills in the area weren't a match for the dynamics at play. Actually, one of the big tornadoes from the OV outbreak in the beginning of March went right into the mtns of WV too. It just struck me as to how similiar it was to this area. Esp when I saw where it came down that hill in center of Monson.It was really weird. 22 miles away lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 It just struck me as to how similiar it was to this area. Esp when I saw where it came down that hill in center of Monson. Maybe a wet micro or two tomorrow? Looks like it would not be widespread though, but decent winds aloft and saturated atmosphere could lead to one I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 It just struck me as to how similiar it was to this area. Esp when I saw where it came down that hill in center of Monson.It was really weird. 22 miles away lol Nothing is more scary then that video of the tornado coming over the hill in Monson. It reminds me of watching those alien ships coming at Tom Cruise in War of the Worlds. Kind of freaky to see that thing coming at you when you are taping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiator Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 WCBS TV channel 2 has a crawl at the bottom of the screen for a tornado warning in Warren, NJ until 9 PM (That's Warren County, not City) A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 900 PM EDT FOR EAST CENTRAL MONROE AND NORTH CENTRAL WARREN COUNTIES... AT 842 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO INDICATE A TORNADO. THIS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR BLAIRSTOWN...OR 18 MILES SOUTHWEST OF NEWTON...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 20 MPH. THE TORNADO WILL BE NEAR... BLAIRSTOWN BY 855 PM EDT... HIDDEN LAKE AND WERRY LAKE BY 900 PM EDT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Does the KFS have BDL hitting 90F on Thursday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Does the KFS have BDL hitting 90F on Thursday? It might be close: http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:06199.4.99999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I wonder if we could see a few rotating storms tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 75/75 here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Actually it wouldn't shock me at all if we saw a few strong or perhaps brief severe cells overnight tonight into early tomorrow and certainly would have to watch for rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiator Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 And now for a little rolling thunder to accompany the dripping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Thunder!!!!!!!! Although now I'm nervous Ever since I saw that house get hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Looks like some real weak broad llvl rotation around Bethel...storm top on that cell up around 30K so certainly just high enough to be tapping into the high helicity. Unlikely to do anything but fun to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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