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Hurricane Isaac Banter Thread, Part 2


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10Z Updated:

Keesler AFB/Gulfport: 10-21Z Winds 35-40mph sustained, gusts up to 55-65mph. Then after 21Z wind 25-30mph, gusts 35-40mph through 30/10Z. Rainfall of additional 3.3" possible.

Houme Terrebonne: 10-21Z Winds 40-45mph sustained, gusts up to 60-65mph. Then after 21Z 25-30mph sustained, gusts 35-40mph through 30/10Z. Rainfall of additional 2.61" possible

New Orleans: 10-03Z WInds 40-50mph sustained, gusts up to 65-70mph. Then after 03Z winds diminsh to 25-30mph, gusts to 45mph. Rainfall of additional 5.23" possible

Baton Rouge: looking at winds gusting up to around 50-55mph. Rainfall of additional 4.3" possible

Boothville: 10-10Z winds 45-55mph sustained, with gusts up to 70-80mph. Rainfall of additional 2.74" possible

Looking at my trends for Boothville, next 24 hours, winds stay pretty much 160 direction. Even at 30/10Z, I still have 160 41Gust59mph. Not much movement with Isaac for 24 hours. Expect to see some impressive rainfall totals over the next 24 hours. Thoughts?

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I am sorry but to me The Weather Channel continues to be unwatchable, John Hope has to be turning over in his grave, Carl Parker is a Hurricane Specialist ? you got to be kidding me, At least with Steve Lyons even through he was no picnic TV wise at least the guy knew what he was talking about. Joker and Abrams don't even deserve a comment, Sorry Weather Channel you failed once more.On a happier note had a chance to watch Fox 8 in New Orleans this Bob Breck guy got to say not bad, just tells it like it is no B.S. If he didn't know an answer to a question he would say I don't know didn't make up some BS lie, I think the local TV station covers these storms better anyway, Better then the Weather Channel and National Cable TV outlets, I almost forgot, Cantore, well he would be snow flurries sound exciting.

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What disregard would this be? Enlighten me.

On the one hand they fudge the direction report to apparently "smooth over the data points" IEThe NHC's continued insistence last night on NW@8mph when the storm was drifting basically west - for hours. That was really embarrassing and counterproductive to having all weather outlets speak with one voice.

On the other, they are sticklers for confirmation of 75mph winds for some reason, despite radar/satellite presentation and a dropsonde report and an obvious strengthening trend. It is not possible to have sensors everywhere of course - but how often do they in other circumstances keep the wind up when not supported by a report. IE. "and that may be generous". They go with "their best guess" in so many cases which I think is fine and in this case were somewhat excessive in the other direction. That is puzzling and a little weird.

Hard to say for sure from a distance, but I think the storm is stressing them out or something.....

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I went to bed and the storm was heading nw according to the nhc. I woke up and the storm is still heading nw, according to the nhc. But somehow through my sleep the storm magically changed directions because it's close to Nola than it was when I conked out. The nhc has some egg I believe today to wipe off.

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I went to bed and the storm was heading nw according to the nhc. I woke up and the storm is still heading nw, according to the nhc. But somehow through my sleep the storm magically changed directions because it's close to Nola than it was when I conked out. The nhc has some egg I believe today to wipe off.

This post doesn't make sense....if the storm was SE of Nola when you went to bed, and the NHC said it was moving NW (slowly) while you were sleeping...why are you suprised that it is closer to Nola??? I.e....what is magical about that?

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Crazy that where Cantore is, it looks pretty crazy. But where Stephanie Abrams is, it looks just breezy with light rain. She is 2 blocks away from Cantore.

When I was watching earlier Cantore is between buildings that is enhancing the winds like how NYC gets those strong winds between skyscrapers.

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This post doesn't make sense....if the storm was SE of Nola when you went to bed, and the NHC said it was moving NW (slowly) while you were sleeping...why are you suprised that it is closer to Nola??? I.e....what is magical about that?

NHC did fine. We are going to have an adjustment period over the next year or two if they're going to hold to true standards on surface winds. Have we even had a station at MSL reporting sustained hurricane winds? I think they did a good job, I'm happy they waited until it was definitely a weak (wind wise) hurricane before upgrading as after all the entire system is based on ground wind speeds, not radar presentation, winds at elevation etc.
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Seems to me like the authorities learned from the mistakes of Katrina and were well prepared. Some of the stories the Sheriff is telling is a bit scary in terms of how people can make some really bad decisions. Big storm, will take a long time to wind down. Now let's hope it can bring big drought relief to the north.

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This post doesn't make sense....if the storm was SE of Nola when you went to bed, and the NHC said it was moving NW (slowly) while you were sleeping...why are you suprised that it is closer to Nola??? I.e....what is magical about that?

If the storm had followed the direction of the NHC direction of movement last evening, the center would be either due west or northwest of NOLA right now, not southwest. Sorry, should have been clearer...Tough to get all your thoughts out on an IPhone that with one mistype, it throws you into Bookmarks, and returns the page.

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Seems to me like the authorities learned from the mistakes of Katrina and were well prepared. Some of the stories the Sheriff is telling is a bit scary in terms of how people can make some really bad decisions. Big storm, will take a long time to wind down. Now let's hope it can bring big drought relief to the north.

I think that is always the case. People tend to make bad decisions concerning weather threats. When storm surge forecasts are for a 9-12 foot surge and your levee is an 8 foot one, you should heed the mandatory evacuation and get to a safer place. However, people tend to rationalize that somehow they'll be safe. In this case probably because it was a much weaker storm than Katrina. I think overall the forecasts were pretty good. I guess you can nit-pick if you really work at it but they pretty much said the hurricane was going to crawl across la which would lead to surge problems and up to 20 inches of rain.

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I think that is always the case. People tend to make bad decisions concerning weather threats. When storm surge forecasts are for a 9-12 foot surge and your levee is an 8 foot one, you should heed the mandatory evacuation and get to a safer place. However, people tend to rationalize that somehow they'll be safe. In this case probably because it was a much weaker storm than Katrina. I think overall the forecasts were pretty good. I guess you can nit-pick if you really work at it but they pretty much said the hurricane was going to crawl across la which would lead to surge problems and up to 20 inches of rain.

Very true NHC had been calling for bad storm surges up to 12 feet for days. I mean really the winds and surge verified well. I want to be very clear on something...I feel absolutely horrible for these people. So many of us are struggling to get through our lives each and every day being faced with 10 years of poor economies, wars, recessions, crisis, etc. To see these people getting hit again it just isn't right or fair and I feel so bad for all of them. For some they don't have the luxury that we do to jump in their cars and move. It's just so sad.

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Mainly:

-Calling a hurricane a tropical storm hours after it met the criteria

-Stating the storm was moving NW for hours last night when it clearly was gaining no latitude (and in fact was losing latitude)

There was short term motion in pretty much every direction, it doesn't make sense to report each of those. Reporting a longer term smooth motion isn't perfect, but imo it would be worse to constantly update with various directions.

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Very true NHC had been calling for bad storm surges up to 12 feet for days. I mean really the winds and surge verified well. I want to be very clear on something...I feel absolutely horrible for these people. So many of us are struggling to get through our lives each and every day being faced with 10 years of poor economies, wars, recessions, crisis, etc. To see these people getting hit again it just isn't right or fair and I feel so bad for all of them. For some they don't have the luxury that we do to jump in their cars and move. It's just so sad.

great post. Many can call people who don't leave stupid, but in many cases, they have no means to leave and often are too fearful of leaving to lose what little they do own. They are desperate and we shouldn't superimpose our standard of living/decision-making on to them.

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