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September 2012 General Discussion


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Screw this. October is f-ed and I'm starting to believe we're going two in a row torches. Every CFS2 update torches each month a little more, and here comes the red middle finger of death, just in time for the first week of October. The eternal optimists can continue to hope for a decent winter but I'm done.

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Now that I have a big hummingbird garden full of non-hardy plants I hate having to deal with frosts and freezes this time of year. Hummingbirds are here until mid October so I need to keep the flowers protected. There are few things I hate doing more than covering the garden with sheets as it's getting dark, but still breezy.

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Screw this. October is f-ed and I'm starting to believe we're going two in a row torches. Every CFS2 update torches each month a little more, and here comes the red middle finger of death, just in time for the first week of October. The eternal optimists can continue to hope for a decent winter but I'm done.

meh...mega ridge, mega trough...welcome to continental climate 2012. I'm sure we'll torch for a period but i wouldn't be shocked to enter another cold/wet period mid winter.

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<sigh> Yes. Everyone needs to understand that I'm new at this, and I'm a pretty bright guy, but what I/we suffered thru last year I really never want to go through again. And to see it represented on every freaking map/prediction except for the worthless CFS1 really got me down. Then my local met goes over to the dark side as well, and all the while I can see and actually hear Tropical laughing inside my head. I think I need to go see a shrink.

In the meantime, we didn't even crack 60 today. Felt wonderful.

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Huh, I am a prophet, according to at least one local pro met: :axe:

ALTHOUGH THIS COLD PATTERN DEVELOPING IS THE FIRST IN A LONG TIME

FOR THE UPPER MIDWEST...LOOKING AT SIMILAR SCENARIOS IN THE PAST

WHICH HAD THE SAME TYPE OF PATTERN /1952/1988/2003/...THE COLD AIR

QUICKLY ABATED BY THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER...WITH EVEN ONE DAY

NEAR A RECORD HIGH. LOOKING AT THE CFC /SEASONAL CLIMATE FORECAST

FROM CPC/ DOES ILLUSTRATE THE COMMON THEME THE UPPER MIDWEST HAS

BEEN EXPERIENCING...WARM AND DRY WEATHER FOR THE UPCOMING

FALL/EARLY WINTER. BASED ON THE EL NINO PATTERN FOR THE UPPER

MIDWEST WINTERS...AND HOW SIMILAR YEARS HAD THIS TYPE OF

PATTERN...WILL LIKELY SEE MORE OF A WARMER WINTER THAN COLD. BUT

AGAIN...THIS IS BASED ON CLIMATE MODELS WHICH ARE ALWAYS MODIFYING

THE MEAN PATTERN. ..JLT..

Screw this. October is f-ed and I'm starting to believe we're going two in a row torches. Every CFS2 update torches each month a little more, and here comes the red middle finger of death, just in time for the first week of October. The eternal optimists can continue to hope for a decent winter but I'm done.

well if i'm seeing things right.. 1952/1988/2003 were all below normal octobers for most all. winters sucked..

all my dam weather links are on my dead pc.. grrr

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well if i'm seeing things right.. 1952/1988/2003 were all below normal octobers for most all.

all my dam weather links are on my dead pc.. grrr

Statewide temps for Minnesota.

October 1952: 41.5º (13th coldest since 1895)

October 1988: 41.1º (9th coldest)

October 2003: 46.7º (+1.0 versus 1901-2000 average)

Not all those years were El Nino either.

Correct. 1988-89 was a mod-strong Nina, and 2003-04 was preceded by a Nino winter. 1952-53 may be the closest, being it was a weak Nino winter, but again it followed a Nino winter in 1951-52.

Regardless, I have failed to find any correlation of rolling summer temp trends through the following winter, which is what it looks like in this case.

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Statewide temps for Minnesota.

October 1952: 41.5º (13th coldest since 1895)

October 1988: 41.1º (9th coldest)

October 2003: 46.7º (+1.0 versus 1901-2000 average)

Thanks! this is all i had for 2003 lol.. big arse ridge out west i have crap for useful weather links ATM. was 1988 a strong nina? link I'm looking at has me all confused and my memory is useless when it comes to remembering nina/nino yrs..

oop's... just seen you already answered it..

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All right all right. Just sick of seeing all the red every single freaking month on the cfs2. Let's move on with real September discussion... sorry.

Don't worry about it man.. I'm sure deep down we're all worried some about the above normal crap train continuing to chug.. Even if so it doesn't mean winter is a total loss. This winter I'd rather play with fire than have cold with another nickle and dime snowfall winter. Screw worrying about long and dirty snow cover.. it just doesn't happen much for most of us anyways.

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Had a brief, but somewhat strong storm here. Blinding rain, which resulted in some ponding on the roads in Waukegan, and gusts to about 35mph on the way home tonight. Only 0.09" of rain at home though.

The temperatures drop is under way! Down to 60° at 6:45pm.

Trapperman - it's only September! ... If you remember last year the CPC was predicting normal to below normal temperatures for a period for the northern 1/3rd of the country. And we all know how that really turned out!

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