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I'll see mentions in severe season in AFDs from OUN or FWD or TOP that SPC requested extra balloon releases, and I think I recall mention in Gulf Coast AFDs about extra balloon releases pre-Gustav and Ike,

Is there a central NCEP/HPC site that mentions/tasks whether certain forecast offices, like SJU, have been requested to do four launches per day?

NCEP Operational Status Message

Wed Aug 22 14:52:00 2012 GMT

NOUS42 KWNO 221451

ADMNFD

SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE

NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS COLLEGE PARK MD

1451Z WED AUG 22 2012

THE 12Z GFS MODEL HAS STARTED AND IS RUNNING ON TIME.

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER HAS REQUESTED THE INITIATION OF

SPECIAL 6 HOURLY SOUNDINGS STARTING AT 18Z THU AUG 23 FROM WFO

SAN JUAN AND ALL OFFICES WITHIN THE FOLLOWING STATES:

FLORIDA...GEORGIA...ALABAMA...AND MISSISSIPPI.

HANDEL/SDM/NCO/NCEP

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I would rather see someone posting NAM images, than some ***hole, power-hungry mod going after one of our most valuable tropical posters because he has nothing more to do.

You need to either start contributing positively to these threads or quit posting in the tropical threads. These types of posts are getting tiring.

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There is nothing wrong with posting the Nam updates in a banter thread. Jeez.

I think what many are wondering is why you or others even bother to post the NAM in the first place... it's not like it's adding anything useful to the discussion. In fact, in some cases it can be detrimental when discussing short-medium range tropical forecasting. A blank post is just as useful as an 81hr or 84hr NAM tropics post, i.e. you're just wasting space.

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I think what many are wondering is why you or others even bother to post the NAM in the first place... it's not like it's adding anything useful to the discussion. In fact, in some cases it can be detrimental when discussing short-medium range tropical forecasting. A blank post is just as useful as an 81hr or 84hr NAM tropics post, i.e. you're just wasting space.

Precisely, especially, as Lookout mentioned, when it comes to newcomers to the board who aren't familiar with the board dynamic or the models.

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NCEP Operational Status Message

Wed Aug 22 14:52:00 2012 GMT

NOUS42 KWNO 221451

ADMNFD

SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE

NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS COLLEGE PARK MD

1451Z WED AUG 22 2012

THE 12Z GFS MODEL HAS STARTED AND IS RUNNING ON TIME.

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER HAS REQUESTED THE INITIATION OF

SPECIAL 6 HOURLY SOUNDINGS STARTING AT 18Z THU AUG 23 FROM WFO

SAN JUAN AND ALL OFFICES WITHIN THE FOLLOWING STATES:

FLORIDA...GEORGIA...ALABAMA...AND MISSISSIPPI.

HANDEL/SDM/NCO/NCEP

Teach a man to fish... I'll bookmark the link...

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it looks like the official track would be fairly rare

Many have mentioned the ridge strength and other factors greatly reducing the chances of the recurve/e. coast track.

Given the euro + climo I wonder about a track more towards c. or w. Gulf

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What is the purpose of a banter thread? To post things you would not find in the regular thread. If we're not allowed to post banter in a banter thread, then maybe we shouldn't even have banter threads anymore.

If metfan wants to talk about the NAM being north (presumably because he thinks it means something for his backyard) then he should take it to the subforum threads. It's just a waste of time, particularly at this range and where the storm is located, to discuss it here. If you can't figure that out then I have to question how you got your degree.

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Not certain if there is now a list of models That Shall Not Be Named but the two globals with far north/east tracks have shifted south/west a great deal in their 12Z runs.

Here is a good starting point:

Order of what models should be posted during a tropical threat:

ECMWF

ECMWF Ensembles (interchangeable with Op)

GFS

UKMET

GFS Ensembles

GFDL

GGEM

HWRF

NOGAPS

JMA

GGEM ensembles

NAM

DGEX

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I'm assuming the CMC2 and NGX2 are the CMC/GGEM and NOGAPS, right? If so, then the 12z plot I'm seeing is showing old data for those two models. If that is the case, every model seems to be in agreement with a FL hit, OR slightly west or east. none are showing the Carolinas anymore.

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Would anybody know of a site that allows you to look at the track of previous storms that were located near a current tropical system.....say Isaac for example?

Say "thank you" to wxmx

http://db.hellohelp....rch.php#map_top

That's a good one.

You can also use:

http://www.csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/#

and click on a particular point or type in coordinates (lon, lat not lat, lon) as well as strength under "refine search".

You can see the top 10 analogues here:

http://derecho.math.uwm.edu/models/

Select a storm, click "top 10 analog tracks". Analogues are determined by a weighted average of closest lat, lon, date and intensity.

:)

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That's a good one.

You can also use:

http://www.csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/#

and click on a particular point or type in coordinates (lon, lat not lat, lon) as well as strength under "refine search".

You can see the top 10 analogues here:

http://derecho.math.uwm.edu/models/

Select a storm, click "top 10 analog tracks". Analogues are determined by a weighted average of closest lat, lon, date and intensity.

:)

This is fantastic! Thank you!

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Yeah... just looking at the amount of east coast strikes is..eh. Analog tracks should take into account the overall synoptic setup. I'm not sure that does.

No, it doesn't take anything more than lat, lon, movement, and intensity into account. Like I said, it's not useful.

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That's a good one.

You can also use:

http://www.csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/#

and click on a particular point or type in coordinates (lon, lat not lat, lon) as well as strength under "refine search".

You can see the top 10 analogues here:

http://derecho.math.uwm.edu/models/

Select a storm, click "top 10 analog tracks". Analogues are determined by a weighted average of closest lat, lon, date and intensity.

:)

Ironically, almost every analogue is outside the NHC cone, and the envelope of current solutions for that matter, wrt LF locations:

al092012_analogs.png

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