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E PA/NJ/DE/NE MD: Banter/Non Storm OBS thread


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I haven't started sticking yet, whereas the coast is starting to stick.

Not sure why.

Because the low levels are too warm & you need high VVs overhead to bring down the heavy stuff & cool the surface. There is a band forming from C NJ & south which is the deform zone imo. If it doesn't get past philly it's ball game for Philly & west

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looking at 18Z NAM the models really flubbed with this event. i knew my gut telling me that it would take a real powerhouse storm to provide enough cooling to support a real snow event. It's nice to see some flakes flying, but I have to think Mt Holly should remove all of the WSW from the board b/c and just place WWA's for the rest of the night with generally trace to maybe some 2" amounts in areas.

:rolleyes: I'll make sure they consult you before issuing their products

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Because the low levels are too warm & you need high VVs overhead to bring down the heavy stuff & cool the surface. There is a band forming from C NJ & south which is the deform zone imo. If it doesn't get past philly it's ball game for Philly & west

Yup. That was well modeled.

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rolleyes.gif I'll make sure they consult you before issuing their products

I wasn't baashing them for issuing warnings Mr. Moderator. I was saying that based off what has transpired and what appears to be left of the event they should remove the warnings. What's wrong with that? My post was clearly directed at the models performance not the NWS. Thanks for the rib though it was obviously well deserved (rolls eyes).

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The dew points this morning were a clear indicator of where the snow wouldn't make it points west. Again I feel bad for goomba and Tamaqua but it's been the trend since the winter of 2010 for jersey to actually get more snow than nw mountains bc of the sharp gradient and the strength of the systems. The stronger a coastal the sharper the gradient it seems.

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The dew points this morning were a clear indicator of where the snow wouldn't make it points west. Again I feel bad for goomba and Tamaqua but it's been the trend since the winter of 2010 for jersey to actually get more snow than nw mountains bc of the sharp gradient and the strength of the systems. The stronger a coastal the sharper the gradient it seems.

I don't understand. Dewpoints were just as low in Sussex (FWN) and Montgomery (MGJ) yet they are getting plenty of snow right now. It had nothing to do with dewpoints and everything to do with the simple fact the storm developed a bit further east than anticipated by some guidance.

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They never rose here at all. And ray, this is about the 4-5th storm in a row that has jack potted nj rather than the mountains and nw. The radar echoes just got eaten alive as they went west today. Even though we were forecasted to get 1-2 this morning it was clear the precip shield would not make it west. I'm curious why this trend is so prominent recent years. You're prolly right by the actual low a bit further east, but it's odd looking at so many storms that fail to give the folks 78-81 corridor anything. I'm not complaining just curious.

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They never rose here at all. And ray, this is about the 4-5th storm in a row that has jack potted nj rather than the mountains and nw. The radar echoes just got eaten alive as they went west today. Even though we were forecasted to get 1-2 this morning it was clear the precip shield would not make it west. I'm curious why this trend is so prominent recent years. You're prolly right by the actual low a bit further east, but it's odd looking at so many storms that fail to give the folks 78-81 corridor anything. I'm not complaining just curious.

But Jim, it has nothing to do with the dry air eating the precip and everything to do with the fact the dynamics all ended up a bit east. And yes, those spots I mentioned were in the upper teens this morning.

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